Invisibility Suits

mvisvitae · May 1, 2006

Is it possible to have a double clear layered suit and in between each layer are ions which can be manipulated (controlled) to move faster than the speed of light (which is undetectable to the human eye) and therefore the person in the suit would be invisible? I am asking because someone bought to my attention that everytime you see the president in an open space if you look at the backround trees surrounding him you can pick up warping movement in several different areas and they explained these suits to me. I first saw this with footage of Clinton but also with Bush. Is this possible?

vogon13 · May 1, 2006

Sorry, didn't follow that too well. You think there are 'invisible' 'beings' stalking the president? Like Predator or something? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

vogon13 · May 1, 2006

{Completely different idea} Do you have a DLP TV? Did the promo literature for it mention 'wobbulation' ? {I sometimes see weird motion artifacts on TVs like that.} <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

mvisvitae · May 1, 2006

No. Maybe as a security measure the secret service has this technology. I just wanted to know if it is possible.

mvisvitae · May 1, 2006

The distortion moves then stops then moves again in several different areas and randomly but you can follow each distortion. It does not happen at any other time on my tv.

vogon13 · May 1, 2006

Analog cable TV? Digital cable TV? Satellite TV? Might be digital compression blocking. Odd you only see it on the Prez though. Invisibility suits would be used to embarass the French Government (think of the possibilities) before they would be used merely protecting the Prez. (I think you want many visible agents around George for the deterrent effect, btw, an unguarded donut is more likely to get swiped, after all) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

ashton_anchors · May 2, 2006

Trying too hard, the first invisibility will be based on math caculations and a projection suit. It takes the image behind you and factoring mathimatically the image infront of you, this way you become the backgroup and they see threw you. Japan is working one currently, seems to be working well

Saiph · May 2, 2006

as you describe it: No, and I can say that without thinking about it much. First, you use FTL Ions...which can't be done. Then you assume that having those in between you and an observe make you invisible, and not just the ions. Third, you assume the ions would be invisible, but they can still interact with their environment... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

ramuon · May 2, 2006

Well it is possible to make these invisibility suits but I have always thought that they would be covered with some sort of an optical chemical which is able to bend the light around you till it reaches the opposite direction and then leaves the chemical.

craig42 · May 2, 2006

Invisibility Cloaks are possible although not using that specific technology. I belive ashton_anchors is referring to the "Optical Camoflage" project at the university of Toyko. Ironically along with explanations there site includes video clips of an Invisibility Cloak! http://projects.star.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/projects/MEDIA/xv/oc.html

yevaud · May 2, 2006

Of course, the major problem with this particular technology is which wavelengths it block - and which it doesn't. It won't help you if you're optically "invisible," but stand out in the Infrared and Thermal. And if they ever figure a way to block all of them? It means the suit won't emit at all. Meaning whatever heat you produce will be trapped inside the suit. You'll cook yourself to death in short order. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

hracctsold · May 2, 2006

Am I missing something here? The first coulple of sentences of that first post said that suit would make the wearer "invisible". Then there was refference to "seeing" the president in open spaces. Would that be a distortion field that would reflect his image to the left or right, and away from where he actually was. "Doc Savage" in some of his books had such windows in his house that would refract the images 3-4 inches away from where they were actually standing. It caused bullits several times not to reach their mark, his body. But back to being invisible?

yevaud · May 2, 2006

I see what you mean. In any event, the concept of the original post is way, way out there and not scientific. But there are "invisibility" technologies that try to bend light or obscure an object. Doc Savage was pretty interesting. I remember reading several stories. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

chriscdc · May 2, 2006

Could try quantum teleportation of photons. Need to make sure that the photon is emitted from the correct place. Or Once you can make flexible screens with a resolution nearing 1/4 the wavelength of optical light then you can make a diffraction pattern which you then shine light through. Thus making a hologram of what's behind you. You need some serious camera and processing tech. If you can specifically build hardware for it then it might be possible.

hopenpj · May 2, 2006

Thought I read this last year in Popular Science - maybe Dumbya is the tester for it: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/97cb0b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html Interesting read, more interesting is to see how far it has come in last year or so... A reader inquires: Is the military developing uniforms that would make soldiers invisible? The perfect cloak of Frodo Baggins is still far off, if not impossible, but DARPA-funded researchers are working on a new kind of camouflage that would fall only a few steps short of elvish magic. According to Philip Moynihan, a NASA engineer who published a paper on the subject in 2000, so-called adaptive camouflage would visually merge soldiers with their surroundings--whether that's an urban backdrop or dense jungle brush. The basic principle is simple: Cameras would capture the scene behind the uniform while embedded displays would reproduce the image on its front. With combat shifting increasingly to urban environments, the need for adaptive camouflage is stronger than ever. Today's uniforms can be a hazard: A soldier in desert fatigues would stand out like a bull's-eye against a red brick wall. But the next-generation suit would take on the appearance of the wall, allowing the soldier to blend into the background. In the same way that an enemy scanning jungle brush might miss a soldier in classic green-and-brown camouflage, the uniform's optical trickery might cause an urban foe to glance over the future soldier. "Sometimes it's fairly easy to confuse the human eye," Moynihan says, explaining that the real goal is not invisibility but simply buying a soldier extra time to react. DARPA isn't exactly sewing together uniforms just yet--the project is still in its very early stages, and details are scant. "They're doing the research," Moynihan says, "investig

lampblack · May 3, 2006

Funny thing about invisibility suits. On the one hand, they must block one's vision -- which suggests something one would perceive as opaque, possibly black. But at the same time that they're blocking photons, they're also enabling the transparent passage of photons through both the fabric of the suit and the otherwise opaque body of the wearer. So invisibility suits dictate both the transparent passage of photons and the non-transmission of photons -- an "A and Not-A" situation -- a logical impossibility. So if Wonder Girl (or whatever she was called -- the invisible lady in the Fantastic Four) truly wore an invisibility suit, either she would be perceived as an opaque, black blob. Or all the world would see that like the rest of us, she is indeed naked under her clothes. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Just tell the truth and let the chips fall... </div>

Saiph · May 3, 2006

I disagree. Invisibility suits wouldn't block light (ideally), they would re-direct it. Light comming from one side of you would enter the fabric, travel around it, and exit the other side, along a path nearly identical to the incident light. Rudimentary examples can be made with fiber optics. What's likely to happen in the future is an array of photo-sensitive, and photo-emissive devices. What the sensors detect on one side, they instruct the emitters on the other to transmit, thus mimicing the physical deflection of the light around the intervening space. If one is worried about the person who is invisible seeing things, it isn't an issue in this second setup, as you merely have the sensors in front of the eyes (or any place you wish) instruct emitters on the inside of a pair of goggles to emit the light (same signal that's emitted on the back of your helmet). Ideally one would achieve total invisibility by having high resolution detectors and emittors (which would preferably be the same single device) and fast reaction times. in reality, we'll likely end up with an all terrain gillie suit (specialized camoflauge suits used by military snipers), making it much harder, but not impossible, to notice a properly placed individual. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

vogon13 · May 3, 2006

Impressed though I am with Hi Def TV, I cannot imagine the pixel count it would take to do this invisibilty suit thing convincingly. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

Saiph · May 3, 2006

even partial invisibility, basically self-adapting camoflauge patterns, is a boon for soldiers. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

vogon13 · May 3, 2006

Standing near the president and being betrayed by merely a shimmer is orders of magnitude beyond the chameleon thing. And the chameleon thing, by the way, would be very, very useful. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

vogon13 · May 3, 2006

Seems like Frodo would shimmer in direct sunlight while wearing the One Ring . . . . <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

spacefire · May 4, 2006

I'm not sure if the projected image would be three dimensional. Even if the emission of each captured portion of an image is directed in the same direction as it was originally travelling, the resolution being lower than one photon would create interesting effects. I guess it would look like in the movie Predator where you kinda see him standing in front of the background. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.comhttp://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </div>

vogon13 · May 4, 2006

And the thread goes full circle . . . . . <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> {check the 2nd post} <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

Saiph · May 4, 2006

I don't think any shimmers next to the prez are from people wearing invisibility suits. Anyway, the general purpose would be to provide an all purpose camoflauge. Sure, you can see the guy in desert fatigues, but at 50 to a hundred yards it's not so easy, especially if he's being careful. But, stick him in a city, or in front of some of the rare vegitation, and it's almost a dead give-away. Any 'urban' camo has problems to, as a city environment has lots of different coloration and patterns, a red brick building, stucco, signs, etc. Having a camo that better adapts to the color scheme can help with concealment. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

yevaud · May 4, 2006

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4968338.stm <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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