Listen live today as NASA, Boeing discuss Starliner return, spacewalk issues

Suni and Butch will be safe and we wish them so.
We understand that these tests are more on the Service Module that will be jettisoned and not available but Command Module will be used as planned for return journey and has at least once been flown for surface landing in flat areas.
Helium leak, leak-stabilization, duration of Helium use and why we could not test it on ground are questions being addressed during these tests.
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The whole test program seems rational - up until the point where Stich says

"These tests are unpredictable [as to] how long they take and and how successful they'll be."

but then Nappi assures us

"After it's all complete, we'll meet and we'll make sure we did everything we needed to do to understand the system, then we'll come home safely."

That seems to imply coming home in Starliner, especially in the context of what is said in the rest of the article. But, I hope they are not ruling out getting the crew down "safely" in a Dragon capsule, if these tests that are "unpredictable" about "how successful they'll be" don't provide a strong assurance of safety to return in the Starliner capsule.
 
Apparently the Questions and tests are for the Service Module of future Starliners as Service Module will be jettisoned and lost hence they want to test everything including leakages etc. Apparently there is minimum impact on safety or performance of Command Module.
Often they do not explain minute details or such clarity that we do not get confused.
I am assuming that most thrusters are functional even with minor leaks on the SAFE Command Module that will land on west coast desert area.

Ravi
(Dr. Ravi Sharma, Ph.D. USA)
NASA Apollo Achievement Award
ISRO Distinguished Service Awards
Former MTS NASA HQ MSEB Apollo
Former Scientific Secretary ISRO HQ
Ontolog Board of Trustees
Particle and Space Physics
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SAE Fuel Cell Tech Committee voting member for 20 years.
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Boeing Starliner's spacecraft for the Crew Flight Test mission has been undergoing testing after issues during docking on June 6. Listen at 2 p.m. EDT (1800 GMT) as NASA and Boeing say what they plan on doing next.

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The number of faults with this is simply horrendous. I do not believe they should use it for the astronauts return journey. There is too much at risk. Use Space X and then remote the Starliner home empty, adjusting for weight etc. If it makes it all well and good , if not ......Nuff said!
 
The thrusters on the Service Module are important for the reentry.

From the first flight, which had multiple problems:
"Two software errors detected during the test, one of which prevented a planned docking with the International Space Station, could each have led to the destruction of the spacecraft, had they not been caught and corrected in time, NASA said on February 7, 2020. A joint NASA–Boeing investigation team found that "the two critical software defects were not detected ahead of flight despite multiple safeguards", according to an agency statement. "Ground intervention prevented the loss of the vehicle in both cases". Before re-entry, engineers discovered the second critical software error that affected the thruster firings needed to safely jettison the Starliner's service module. The service module software error "incorrectly translated" the jettison thruster firing sequence.[84]" (from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Starliner )

During the second flight, there were similar problems with valves before launch and then:
"Two Orbital Maneuvering and Attitude Control System (OMACS) thrusters failed during the orbital insertion burn, but the spacecraft was able to compensate using the remaining OMACS thrusters with the addition of the Reaction Control System (RCS) thrusters. A couple of RCS thrusters used to maneuver Starliner also failed during docking due to low chamber pressure."

So, the problems seen in this third flight are problems that have occurred before, and Boeing has not succeeded in resolving them for several years, already. They are trying to understand what is happening in space by firing the thrusters on the Starliner at White Sands, now. At this point "NASA announced that while the Starliner is capable of returning the astronauts to Earth in the event of an emergency on the ISS, the capsule is not approved to fly until its thruster issues are solved or at least better understood. [emphasis added]

The Service Module is required to perform adequately to achieve safe reentry. it must provide the change in velocity and control the attitude of the capsule during that change in velocity. I was not able to find a drawing or description of where the various thrusters are located on the combined craft nor which ones are malfunctioning. But, given the current and previous thruster problems, it is not unreasonable to fear additional failures during sustained additional uses - especially when they are still testing to "better understand" the cause(s?) of the failures already experienced.
 
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I was not aware that CM has no capability for re-entry. I assumed that SM is not needed. If it is needed and thrusters need to work on SM where they have issues then it is a serious safety issue with Suni and Butch.
Very serious testing so how do we interpret assurance from NASA manager?
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