Major Scientific Discovery on Extrasolar Planets

[mlorrey]

No, because he didn't exponentially increase the time between reports back: 1 day, 2 days, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, etc., but each report is transmitted by bonzelite only minutes apart by his own perspective. From his perspective, he does actually hit the black hole core at some point, but by then the rest of the universe has either died off long ago, or has joined him inside the event horizon.<br /><br />The event horizon is not a fixed point, either. An object at rest outside a black hole has a much higher altitude at which it is too late to escape, while an object passing by at high speed can get much closer because the gravitational attraction accelerates it to even higher speeds closer to c. The true event horizon is only where orbital velocity is c: this will have a sphere of protons orbiting at an altitude just at a c light speed. Interference between orbiting photons will cause some to fall in, and others to be emitted at extremely redshifted energies (this is in addition to the Hawking radiation caused by splitting of quantum vacuum pairs).<br /><br />It is this interference that creates the polar jets: the poles are the regions of maximum interference, as all photons in polar orbit converge at these points. The intensity of the convergence heats quantum pair particles to massive energies, becoming highly intense particle beams outward along the polar axis.<br /><br />The accretion disk is also quite real: just as with any stellar system, objects orbiting are forced into orbits consistent with the primary's equator by frame dragging and destructive interference with other orbiting objects. As objects fall inward due to conservation losses, they likewise redshift/blueshift both due to the gravitational well as well as the doppler difference of the mass in orbit on either side of the primary from the perspective of the observer.<br /><br />Passing this point, bonzelite will no longer be able to report back by any means: his reports will cease being emitted and he will appea

 

[bonzelite]

<font color="orange"><br />A singularity is not infinitely massive, else it would swallow the universe. It is not infinitely deep, else its gravitational field would stretch to the edges of the universe and, again, suck it all in. Singularities can be finite in mass and charge and depth while still creating an event horizon where the orbital velocity any lower exceeds c.</font><br /><br />more faith<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br /><br />an event horizon would have no discernable equator. spacetime is warped around the singularity from every point. <br /><br />photons at event horizon are infinitely delayed to observer.

 

[mlorrey]

Ever seen an ice skater do a spin? As she draws her arms in, she speeds up her spin rate. Likewise, all stars have rotation. When they supernova and compress their cores into black holes or neutron stars, the rotation speed increases. This creates a frame dragging effect that penetrates out through the event horizon to continue to affect objects in orbit around the black hole...<br /><br />As I described the light sphere at the event horizon, there will also be, just outside this point, objects orbiting anywhich way at speeds just below c with decreasing orbital velocity as altitude increases. Because these objects have mass, they gravitationally interact and destructively interfere with each other such that only objects in the equatorial plane of the black hole remain. Due to conservation, objects will spiral inward. Once they reach the event horizon at the equator, they will strike an extremely intense band of light trapped in equatorial orbit and will break up into subatomic particles. X rays, neutrinos, and other weakly interacting particles that are not emitted or sucked in at this point will travel in an arc north and south from the equator to the poles, where they will converge into the polar collision zones that produce the polar jets.<br /><br />Now, you may say: but if the mass in the accretion disk is orbiting at a higher altitude the black holes synchronous orbit, it should be falling outward.<br /><br />You are mostly right: a majority of the mass should be thrown outward, but a large chunk is dragged inward due to destructive interference.

 

[CalliArcale]

No offense, dudes, but we're severely off topic here. This thread was for the big discovery of a small extrasolar planet -- a remarkable feat. The nature of black holes is really not relevant to that. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Since there is already another thread on the subject of the earthlike extrasolar planet, I will lock this one in favor of the one that didn't go off topic.<br /><br />In future, please try not to stray too far from the subject of a thread. You can always start another thread, or find an existing thread, to discuss other subjects. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>