New interpretation of QM, with new two-phase cosmology, solves 15 foundational problems in one go.

[Geoff Dann]

You're full of "words". Your "mathematical equivalent" of the branch or the "potential branch" is physically and mathematically INDISTINGUISHABLE from the real one.

No! It isn't physical at all. It is thoroughly non-local. It is unchanging and does not exist within time. There is no "real one" in a physical sense.

I need to finish the document that explains the completed system, with solutions to nearly all of those outstanding problems with LDCM. I'll return to this thread in a few hours when I've done most of that work.

 

[marcin]

No! It isn't physical at all. It is thoroughly non-local. It is unchanging and does not exist within time. There is no "real one" in a physical sense.

If your LUCAS can choose it, it MUST be INDISTINGUISHABLE from the reality of LUCAS.

 

[marcin]

I need to finish the document that explains the completed system, with solutions to nearly all of those outstanding problems with LDCM. I'll return to this thread in a few hours when I've done most of that work.

I guess that if you realized how self-deluded you are, it would kill you.

 

[marcin]

They are exactly as distinguishable as all of the timelines in MWI before consciousness exists.

My model is literally identical to MWI in phase 1.

LUCAS collapses that whole MWI structure, which spans 13 billion years. One great big collapse.

What do you think is the difference between MWI and my phase 1?

I may have, at some point, incorrectly said that phase 1 is identical to MWI. It is not. It is closely related, but not identical, for reasons I have now explained in quite some details, and the AI has explained similarly.

Yeah... You may have said... And you didn't figure it out yourself. I was saying it to you all along.

Your LLM said:

What your theory (2PC) says:​

• In Phase 1, the world is in superposition, but not branching yet.
• There’s no actual split — no branching, because there’s no consciousness yet to force collapse or divergence.
• The branching only appears after the emergence of a conscious agent (LUCAS) hits the Quantum Convergence Threshold (QCT).
• That’s when one branch becomes real, and time begins — Phase 2.

I quote: "There’s no actual split — no branching, because there’s no consciousness yet to FORCE COLLAPSE OR DIVERGENCE."
In that case your LLM seems to know, that branching requires collapse, and that the different outcomes of this collapse are the different branches after the branch was split by the collapse. And I'm talking about the branching in MWI.

Your LLM said:

"MWI says the world is always branching — every tiny quantum event causes a split, with or without observers. But in my model (2PC), there’s only one big quantum structure before consciousness appears — nothing has branched yet. It’s not a set of multiple real worlds, it’s a single possibility space. LUCAS doesn’t 'choose from' branches — LUCAS creates the branch by needing to decide in a way that can’t coexist with superposition."

I quote: "LUCAS doesn’t 'choose from' branches — LUCAS creates the branch by needing to decide in a way that can’t coexist with superposition."
This primordial superposition is anything but a set of a separate, but virtual or mathematical branches, from which LUCAS can create one. No splitting in phase 1, remeber? No branching in phase 1. Calling these branches mathematical or virtual does not help you and I told you why. That's because one of them MUST be INDISTINGUISHABLE from the reality of LUCAS. Moreover, needing to decide is choosing.

I quote: "MWI says the world is always branching — every tiny quantum event causes a split, with or without observers."
Would you look at that... Does every quantum event cause a split in your phase 1 WITHOUT the observers? NO, Geoff. This quote also tells me, that your LLM believes in a physical collapse, but since its schizophrenic, it also believes, that it requires observer (it said there's no branching in phase 1 because there's no consciousness yet to FORCE COLLAPSE). And don't tell me, that it can't believe in anything. That was colloquial speech.

 

[jhixon]

I don't know what interpretation this is, but it certainly isn't 2PC.

This is why a wave collapses when you measure it. It's not rocket science...

 

[marcin]

To be honest, creating your own branch is like creating yourself. If you don't have a problem with it, then it's solved just like all the rest. Now try to tell me that it's choosing, not creating.

 

[Geoff Dann]

If your LUCAS can choose it, it MUST be INDISTINGUISHABLE from the reality of LUCAS.

This is not the case. LUCAS is unique -- it is the first conscious organism and it triggers the entire cosmic phase shift. LUCAS straddles the shift. It is born into phase 1, existing only as a quantum possibility (as did the entire biosphere before it for the previous 4 billion years). Its brain crosses the QCT, becomes conscious, and classical reality starts to exist. From its subjective perspective it has just popped into existence out of nowhere. It is born into a world where it is the only conscious organism, which gives it a massive selective advantage over everything else and very soon its descendants are evolving towards the Cambrian Explosion.

Meanwhile, it still exists in phase 1, just as you and still exist in phase 1. What we think of as "our bodies" are actually just classical spacetime "phenomenal representations" (in Kantian terms) of the deeper (noumenal) structures. Our real bodies, including our brains, are mathematical structures in a phase 1 superposition. Consciousness and the physical world are both emergent from that system (including the Void).

 

[Geoff Dann]

I guess that if you realized how self-deluded you are, it would kill you.

And you will also note that unlike yourself, I'm in control of my emotions and feel no need to be abusive to you in response to your continual attempts to provoke a reaction.

I don't care, marcin. Every time you insult me like this, it tells people something about you, not me.

All I'm doing here is trying to explore these ideas in public. I was fully expecting quite a lot of people to react quite badly, and I wasn't wrong.

 

[Geoff Dann]

This primordial superposition is anything but a set of a separate, but virtual or mathematical branches, from which LUCAS can create one. No splitting in phase 1, remeber? No branching in phase 1. Calling these branches mathematical or virtual does not help you and I told you why. That's because one of them MUST be INDISTINGUISHABLE from the reality of LUCAS. Moreover, needing to decide is choosing.

Writing in bold capitals isn't making what you say any clearer.

One of the branches is the reality of LUCAS (in a timeless, spaceless, purely mathematical way).

There is a lot of confusion here over the meaning of the word "branches". The reason for this is that "branching" has two different meanings, depending on whether we are talking about MWI or phase 1 of 2PC. This is because MWI is a physicalist theories and 2PC is neutral monist. That's the real difference between MWI and 2PC phase 1. MWI has no phase shift and says all of the "branches" are physically real, from the big bang until the end of time. 2PC phase 1 is structurally identical, but says these "branches" only exist as mathematical objects in a Platonic realm. The "branches" are the same in both cases, and in both cases they are real, but they are real in fundamentally different ways.

Does that help?

There's really no need to get angry.

I quote: "MWI says the world is always branching — every tiny quantum event causes a split, with or without observers."
Would you look at that... Does every quantum event cause a split in your phase 1 WITHOUT the observers?

See above. Yes, in a way. The split exists, but it exists in a noumenal-neutral-mathematical reality, not a classical physical reality. It's non-local.

 

[marcin]

noumenal-neutral-mathematical reality

this means nothing

what's your definition of non-local?

 

[marcin]

And you will also note that unlike yourself, I'm in control of my emotions

You struggled with serious depression for over 20 years. Were you in control of your emotions?

 

[marcin]

All I'm doing here is trying to explore these ideas in public. I was fully expecting quite a lot of people to react quite badly, and I wasn't wrong.

Think of your single, mental limitation, which can make your theory limited to pure philosophy, and think of your single character flaw, which makes promoting your theory a little bit harder.

 

[marcin]

Regarding your repeated explanations - I give up. This will never end. Consider yourself a winner. You have the makings of a king among lunatics - I mean it. And I repeat, that the most sick part of my brain wishes you good luck. Be so kind, and don't say, that it's the most reasonable one. I'm not that crazy.

 

[Geoff Dann]

You struggled with serious depression for over 20 years. Were you in control of your emotions?

At that time? Sort of. I learned how to manage it most of the time. But that isn't the same as being able to truly escape from it -- to be happy. That took a radical change in world view, and a long time.

 

[Geoff Dann]

Think of your single, mental limitation, which can make your theory limited to pure philosophy, and think of your single character flaw, which makes promoting your theory a little bit harder.

I'm really not interested in your attempts to psycho-analyse me, Marcin. Can we stick to cosmology please?

 

[marcin]

Calling you a doosh, is not a very sophisticated psycho-analyse, Geoff.

 

[Geoff Dann]

Regarding your repeated explanations - I give up. This will never end. Consider yourself a winner. You have the makings of a king among lunatics - I mean it. And I repeat, that the most sick part of my brain wishes you good luck. Be so kind, and don't say, that it's the most reasonable one. I'm not that crazy.

I am not going to give up.

Let me try one more time, this time by explaining what I think exists now -- what "non-local" means. Non-local is my phase 1 reality.

The material world we experience it is very much real, in the very practical sense that we cannot change it. We can't opt out of the laws of physics, and there's only one world which we need to learn how to share. Saying "it is an illusion" is not the way forwards. BUT....the material world as we experience it does not exist outside of our minds. It is doubtless very different to the sort of world a bat experiences, and even more different to the world as it was experienced by LUCAS.

Consciousness and the classical world(s) it contains are not the most fundamental level of reality. They are emergent phenomena, and what they emerge from is phase 1 -- a reality which consists of two things: mathematics and the Void (zero/infinity). Everything else, including consciousness, space and time, are manifestations of that manthematical-noumenal-neutral realm.

2PC is a theory of how consciousness, space and time emerge from the mathematical-neutral realm.

Your mind is what happens when the Void is recursively embodied in part of the mathematical structure. This process began 555mya with Ikaria, starting with a finely tuned history leading from the big bang to the Cambrian explosion. Since then it has been an ever-changing "now", existing within consciousness.

 

[Geoff Dann]

Calling you a doosh, is not a very sophisticated psycho-analyse, Geoff.

I am going to ask you one last time to stop breaking the rules of this forum with personal attacks. If you do it again I will actually report the post (and all of the others). I have asked you at least ten times to stop, and you're still doing it.

It is boring, and makes the thread less pleasant to read for other people, which makes it less worth my time posting here. I am not going to react to the bait, but I am not going to ask you any more times.

You are attacking me personally precisely because you can't refute my argument. You know you have lost this argument, aren't brave/honest enough to admit it, and have nothing left to offer but personal abuse.

I think part of you is absolutely terrified that I might just be right.

 

[marcin]

I think part of you is absolutely terrified that I might just be right.

And why is that, since I'm also at war with the followers of LCDM?

 

[marcin]

You are attacking me personally precisely because you can't refute my argument. You know you have lost this argument, aren't brave/honest enough to admit it, and have nothing left to offer but personal abuse.

Not a personal abuse Mildly sophisticated psycho-analyse

Don't forget, who linked it.

 

[COLGeek]

Folks, this thread has run its course. Closing it now.