node 3?

[ehs40]

on this tentative launch manifest http://www.brandxcomputers.com/shuttle.html<br />node 3 is to be launched on Endeavour STS-130 i thought it was canceled but isnt node 3 needed to increase crew size to 6?

 

[SpaceKiwi]

Interesting. It's missing from NASA's Consolidated Launch Manifest, even though that one runs to 25 missions compared to your 19 flight one. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[josh_simonson]

Assuming they can do 6 launches in '08...<br /><br />IMO, they should drop all the MLPM flights and do that with progress. Returning cargo can come back on the shuttle after bringing up a station segment. Using the shuttle to do what progress can do is dumb considering the small number of remaining flights.

 

[ehs40]

i agree to cutting mplm flights but not all because it would take many more progress craft to do what 1 mplm can do but at this point i think it is more important to get all the componets attached to the station fully built and supply it as quickly as possible with progress and all other kinds of craft.<br /><br />an idea i have is to launch an mplm on an ELV and then have it return with the shuttle if that was possible.

 

[SpaceKiwi]

What about the hatch diameter limitation though? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[najab]

I *think* the plan was to move some of the life-support equipment that Node-3 would supply into another segment of the Station.

 

[tap_sa]

<font color="yellow">"an idea i have is to launch an mplm on an ELV"</font><br /><br />Unfortunately an [E]ELV cannot safely rendezvous the MPLM with the ISS and the simple container is unable to do it alone.

 

[nacnud]

Yes I thought the ECLSS stuff was relocated from Node 3 to Destiny. The issue of Node 3 appearing on this list was brought up on NasaSpaceFlight.com, Chris did some routing around and aparently the completed Node 3 is expected at KSC late (December) 2006.<br /><br />As to if it will ever be launched I dunno.

 

[josh_simonson]

Yeah, who knows how reliable brandxcomputers.com is at calling nasa's shots anyway...

 

[nacnud]

'cept thats Dobbins site, and the Node three thing was first spotted elsewhere anyway <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" />

 

[ve7rkt]

The ATV is, in a way, an MPLM with enough gear to navigate itself to the ISS and meant to fly on an expendable launcher. The idea of an ATV that would be returned by Shuttle is interesting. Once it reached the ISS, it could ditch its propulsion section. A Shuttle could pull the pressurized cargo section in after it offloads station components.<br /><br />I'm sure there are good reasons for why you wouldn't do this, but it'd be fun to look into and learn why...

 

[nacnud]

...because you already had the MPLMs!<br /><br />I think that the ATV + Space tug + Balute could be a winning combination but we're a Space tug and Balute short at the mo <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /> <br /><br />Edit: Oh I see what you mean, the Orbiter brings back the ATV after a construction flight.

 

[mattblack]

The U.S. life support equipment will now go in Node 2. What gear that was going to go into Node 2 may now be spread across other modules. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p>One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America <strong><em><u>CAN</u></em></strong> Afford it!!  LEO is a <strong><em>Prison</em></strong> -- It's time for a <em><strong>JAILBREAK</strong></em>!!</p> </div>

 

[erioladastra]

"Returning cargo can come back on the shuttle after bringing up a station segment."<br /><br />How ar you going to do that without a MPLM in the payload bay? The point of a MPLM is that you can bring back cargo and that it comes back in a pressurized container!

 

[erioladastra]

"I *think* the plan was to move some of the life-support equipment that Node-3 would supply into another segment of the Station. "<br /><br />Yes, that is correct. The regen eclss will start going up on STS 121.

 

[erioladastra]

"The U.S. life support equipment will now go in Node 2. "<br /><br />At least the Oxygen unit will go in the lab. The rest will probably go in the lab as well but details are still being worked out.

 

[ehs40]

hasnt node 3 already been built it just hasnt been delivered to the cape yet?

 

[ehs40]

obviously the station will not be finshed 100% but how far will it be finshed. can any one speculate on how far construction will get assuming sts-121 gets off fine and no other accidents happen to stop shuttle flights

 

[vt_hokie]

Assuming that there are 18 more assembly flights performed by STS, I think it's safe to say that the U.S. truss and solar array elements will be installed, as well as Node 2, the Columbus lab module, and the Japanese lab module. Beyond that, I don't know.

 

[robotical]

Does that count the one already up there? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[vt_hokie]

<i>Actually the manifest I saw showed only 3 of the 4 arrays being installed.</i><br /><br />That's interesting. I've read speculation about that before, but I have to wonder if the asymmetric configuration would lead to any problems due to cg offset or unbalanced solar torques perhaps. <br /><br />NASA used to have some good illustrations of the space station assembly sequence, with a drawing showing the configuration after each new component was added. But it appears that they have been removed from the NASA website, unfortunately.

 

[subzero788]

If only 3 arrays are installed I imagine the station will not be able to support all the currently scheduled modules. When can we expect an updated manifest to be released?

 

[ehs40]

3 of 4 if i am not mistaken some russian modules have been canceled such as the universal dockin module for sure i cant remember any other off hand but im sure with 1 solar array cut out that should reduce too much power supply to other modules im very intrested to see a new manifest which i heard on nasa space flight could be out in early febuary

 

[CalliArcale]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>"Does that count the one already up there?"<br /><br />Yes <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />So does that mean they're not going to relocate the P6? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[vt_hokie]

<i>I believe the plan is to relocate P6 even if only 2 more arrays are launched. </i><br /><br />I'm surprised. I would think that would totally screw up the cg location and solar torque balance.