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[deapfreeze]

My wife and I were standing outside looking at the stars around 8:10 pm eastern time I looked up and noticed a greyish&nbsp; disk shape object flying south to north at very high rate of speed. It was big and grey disk shaped and fast, I have seen lots of meteor shower and even a couple of fire balls but nothing like this it had no tail no sound just a big grey circle in the sky. Any ideas? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[weeman]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>My wife and I were standing outside looking at the stars around 8:10 pm eastern time I looked up and noticed a greyish&nbsp; disk shape object flying south to north at very high rate of speed. It was big and grey disk shaped and fast, I have seen lots of meteor shower and even a couple of fire balls but nothing like this it had no tail no sound just a big grey circle in the sky. Any ideas? <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV><br /><br />No idea. Some government operation perhaps?</p><p>Although, that sounds like something similar that I heard another man talking about. When I as listening to George Noory one night last week a man called in and said while he was watching the sky one night he noticed a grey object that made no sound. It made it's way across the sky at a very high velocity. Yet, he did not describe it as being round, he described it as having a point, with no lights. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><strong><font color="#ff0000">Techies: We do it in the dark. </font></strong></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>"Put your hand on a stove for a minute and it seems like an hour. Sit with that special girl for an hour and it seems like a minute. That's relativity.</strong><strong>" -Albert Einstein </strong></font></p> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No idea. Some government operation perhaps?Although, that sounds like something similar that I heard another man talking about. When I as listening to George Noory one night last week a man called in and said while he was watching the sky one night he noticed a grey object that made no sound. It made it's way across the sky at a very high velocity. Yet, he did not describe it as being round, he described it as having a point, with no lights. <br />Posted by weeman</DIV><br /><br />It was wierd. I have never seen anything like it. I am hoping mayber Meteor Wayne has an answer to this... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>My wife and I were standing outside looking at the stars around 8:10 pm eastern time I looked up and noticed a greyish&nbsp; disk shape object flying south to north at very high rate of speed. It was big and grey disk shaped and fast, I have seen lots of meteor shower and even a couple of fire balls but nothing like this it had no tail no sound just a big grey circle in the sky. Any ideas? <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV><br /><br />Can you be more specific about how fast a high rate of speed was? I have some ideas, but would like you to define the speed better first <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Can you be more specific about how fast a high rate of speed was? I have some dieas, but would like you to define the speed better first <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV><br /><br />It was faster than the jet planes I also saw in the air lower as well. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It was faster than the jet planes I also saw in the air lower as well. <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV><br /><br />Helpful but still need more info. First of all, how high in the sky wasit. Did it pass infront of any Contellations you recognize? Could you still see the stars behind it? How long was it in the sky? How close to the horizon were the jet planes?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Sorry for all the quizzing, but to solave a mystery, we need as many clues as possible! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Helpful but still need more info. First of all, how high in the sky wasit. Did it pass infront of any Contellations you recognize? Could you still see the stars behind it? How long was it in the sky? How close to the horizon were the jet planes?&nbsp;Sorry for all the quizzing, but to solave a mystery, we need as many clues as possible! <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>It was flying lower than the planes. They were aprox 10 degrees apart and the object was directly over head heading towards ursa major and could still see stars behind object.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It was flying lower than the planes. They were aprox 10 degrees apart and the object was directly over head heading towards ursa major and could still see stars behind object. <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV><br /><br />My gut tells me they were low level cumulus clouds moving in a rapid wind. I have seen them go from horizon to horizon in less than two minutes above me on some meteor nights. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>My gut tells me they were low level cumulus clouds moving in a rapid wind. I have seen them go from horizon to horizon in less than two minutes above me on some meteor nights. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV><br /><br />I did forget to mention it had a light in the center so I dont think it was clouds and it definatly did not look like any cloud that I have ever seen.. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I did forget to mention it had a light in the center so I dont think it was clouds and it definatly did not look like any cloud that I have ever seen.. <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV><br /><br />Clouds can be quite eerie in the moonlight. Here we have enough light pollution that it provides a very simlar effect.</p><p>If you could see the image of the clouds that I have seen, I suspect you would agree. WHat you are describing sounds exactly like them. One particular night this summer is burned in my head.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Clouds can be quite eerie in the moonlight. Here we have enough light pollution that it provides a very simlar effect.If you could see the image of the clouds that I have seen, I suspect you would agree. WHat you are describing sounds exactly like them. One particular night this summer is burned in my head. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV><br /><br />Thought of another good question. What direction were they moving?</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[deapfreeze2]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thought of another good question. What direction were they moving?&nbsp; <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;It was moving north to south which is real weird for a single cloud since most clouds in my area either go east to west or west to east. </p>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;It was moving north to south which is real weird for a single cloud since most clouds in my area either go east to west or west to east. <br />Posted by deapfreeze2</DIV></p><p>That's what I thought, It helps confirm my theory. I looked at the satellite photos for that time, and the airflow was from NNW to SSE. I recorded that prediction in the duplicate thread in the unexplained. With the big lake just upstream, low cumulus are a common phenomenon. You may just never have seen them before under these lunar lighting conditions. Like I said, it can be eerie.</p><p>I've seen a lot of interesting things in my kilohours of meteor observing <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That's what I thought, It helps confirm my theory. I looked at the satellite photos for that time, and the airflow was from NNW to SSE. I recorded that prediction in the duplicate thread in the unexplained. With the big lake just upstream, low cumulus are a common phenomenon. You may just never have seen them before under these lunar lighting conditions. Like I said, it can be eerie.I've seen a lot of interesting things in my kilohours of meteor observing <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>I still just don't think it was a cloud. I feel more comfortable with military operations than mother nature. This just didn't look like a cloud there were no other clouds in sight.&nbsp; I watch the sky alot and this is nothing like I have ever seen and I've been around awhile I'm not just a young kid that hasn't had time to stop and look up. I have never seen anything like this before.&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I still just don't think it was a cloud. I feel more comfortable with military operations than mother nature. This just didn't look like a cloud there were no other clouds in sight.&nbsp; I watch the sky alot and this is nothing like I have ever seen and I've been around awhile I'm not just a young kid that hasn't had time to stop and look up. I have never seen anything like this before.&nbsp; <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV><br /><br />I have seen isolated clouds many times during the right conditions, escpecially when the hawk is blowing just above the surface.</p><p>Anyway, that's my opinion, based on thousands of hours of experience </p><p>It sounds exactly like something I see a few times every year.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[R1]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#003366">My wife and I were standing outside looking at the stars around 8:10 pm eastern time I looked up and noticed a greyish&nbsp; disk shape object flying south to north at very high rate of speed. It was big and grey disk shaped and fast, I have seen lots of meteor shower and even a couple of fire balls but nothing like this it had no tail no sound just a big grey circle in the sky. Any ideas? <br /></font>Posted by deapfreeze</DIV><br /><br /><font size="2">What state do you live in?&nbsp; I just heard on the radio a report of an unidentified sighting in Alabama last night.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>What state do you live in?&nbsp; I just heard on the radio a report of an unidentified sighting in Alabama last night.&nbsp; <br />Posted by john1r</DIV><br /><br />I live in Chatham, Ontario Canada <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[Archer17]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I live in Chatham, Ontario Canada <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV></p><p>The Great White North, eh?</p><p>The thing with most UFO sightings is the "UFO" doesn't tend to&nbsp;stick around long enough to be positively identified and MW's speculation based on his obvious meteorological savvy is probably the best we'll get here, but I have some questions.</p><div>Was the object travelling south to north or vica versa? The reason I ask is in the OP you report that it was travelling S to N but later on having it going in the opposite direction.</div><div>Could you verify that the object you saw wasn't solid? If you could see stars through it it would tend to favor a meteorological explanation.</div><div>I'm kinda puzzled&nbsp;you didn't mention the light in the center of the object until later in the thread. I would think that it would have been a major component of this sighting. How bright was it? It's color?</div><div>You mention other jets being in the area. Do you know if they were military planes? If so, is that normal for your area? Were these planes interacting with the object in any discernable way? Using those planes as a reference exactly how much faster was the UFO's rate of speed?</div><div><div>Anyway, that's it for the interrogation <strong>deepfreeze</strong>. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></div><div>I just wanted some confirmation on a few things like the object's&nbsp;direction of flight, solidity,&nbsp;and approximate speed and additional&nbsp;info on it's light and whether it seemed part of a military exercise.<br /></div></div> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The Great White North, eh?The thing with most UFO sightings is the "UFO" doesn't tend to&nbsp;stick around long enough to be positively identified and MW's speculation based on his obvious meteorological savvy is probably the best we'll get here, but I have some questions.Was the object travelling south to north or vica versa? The reason I ask is in the OP you report that it was travelling S to N but later on having it going in the opposite direction.Could you verify that the object you saw wasn't solid? If you could see stars through it it would tend to favor a meteorological explanation.I'm kinda puzzled&nbsp;you didn't mention the light in the center of the object until later in the thread. I would think that it would have been a major component of this sighting. How bright was it? It's color?You mention other jets being in the area. Do you know if they were military planes? If so, is that normal for your area? Were these planes interacting with the object in any discernable way? Using those planes as a reference exactly how much faster was the UFO's rate of speed?Anyway, that's it for the interrogation deepfreeze. I just wanted some confirmation on a few things like the object's&nbsp;direction of flight, solidity,&nbsp;and approximate speed and additional&nbsp;info on it's light and whether it seemed part of a military exercise. <br /> Posted by archer17</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Travelling S to N it was solid I couldn't see through it, The light was a dull yellowish. The&nbsp; jets looked like normal commercial jetliners.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;Travelling S to N it was solid I couldn't see through it, The light was a dull yellowish. The&nbsp; jets looked like normal commercial jetliners.&nbsp; <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV><br /><br />Now you're confusing me. First you said S-N, then wen I asked you, you said N-S, now it's S-N again.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>OP: flying south to north at very high rate of speed</p><p>---------</p><p>Replying to:</p><div class="Discussion_PostQuote">Thought of another good question. What direction were they moving?&nbsp; <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</div><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;It was moving north to south which is real weird for a single cloud since most clouds in my area either go east to west or west to east. </p><p>----------------</p><p>When I asked, you said you could see stars through it, now you say you can't.</p><p>-------------</p><p>Replying to:</p><div class="Discussion_PostQuote">Helpful but still need more info. First of all, how high in the sky wasit. Did it pass infront of any Contellations you recognize? Could you still see the stars behind it? How long was it in the sky? How close to the horizon were the jet planes?&nbsp;Sorry for all the quizzing, but to solave a mystery, we need as many clues as possible! <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</div><p>&nbsp;</p><p>It was flying lower than the planes. They were aprox 10 degrees apart and the object was directly over head heading towards ursa major and could still see stars behind object.</p><p>Huh?</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Now you're confusing me. First you said S-N, then wen I asked you, you said N-S, now it's S-N again.&nbsp;OP: flying south to north at very high rate of speed---------Replying to:Thought of another good question. What direction were they moving?&nbsp; Posted by MeteorWayne&nbsp;&nbsp;It was moving north to south which is real weird for a single cloud since most clouds in my area either go east to west or west to east. ----------------When I asked, you said you could see stars through it, now you say you can't.-------------Replying to:Helpful but still need more info. First of all, how high in the sky wasit. Did it pass infront of any Contellations you recognize? Could you still see the stars behind it? How long was it in the sky? How close to the horizon were the jet planes?&nbsp;Sorry for all the quizzing, but to solave a mystery, we need as many clues as possible! Posted by MeteorWayne&nbsp;It was flying lower than the planes. They were aprox 10 degrees apart and the object was directly over head heading towards ursa major and could still see stars behind object.Huh? <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV><br />You said "Could you still see the stars behind it?"&nbsp; not could you see through it...<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[Archer17]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You said "Could you still see the stars behind it?"&nbsp; not could you see through it... <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV></p><p>Now how could you <span style="font-style:italic">still</span> see the stars <span style="font-style:italic">behind</span> it if you couldn't see <span style="font-style:italic">through</span> it? Mirrors? </p><p>I'm having my suspicion that you're yanking our chain strengthen with each of your posts here <strong>deapfreeze</strong>. The directional contradictions, the "oh BTW there was a light in the center" halfway through the thread to move the goalpost, and now<span style="font-style:italic"> </span>this.<span style="font-style:italic"> </span>&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[deapfreeze]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Now how could you still see the stars behind it if you couldn't see through it? Mirrors? I'm having my suspicion that you're yanking our chain strengthen with each of your posts here deapfreeze. The directional contradictions, the "oh BTW there was a light in the center" halfway through the thread to move the goalpost, and now this. &nbsp; <br /> Posted by archer17</DIV></p><p>Behind. I assume rear. My guess infront would be at the direction heading and behind direction comming from not on the other side of what ever it was.. It was not see through. Like the tail of a meteor is behind it . This what I thought the question was.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="2" color="#0000ff"><em>William ( deapfreeze ) Hooper</em></font></p><p><font size="1">http://deapfreeze-amateur-astronomy.tk/</font></p><p> </p> </div>

 

[aphh]

<p>If I may speculate a bit also, </p><p>let's assume for a moment this was a cloud, like MW suggested. It is reasonable to assume an altitude of some 10 kilometers.</p><p>Now the angular distance for the object to travel from horizon to horizon for a direct overhead pass would be 6375 km / 6385 km = 0.998.</p><p>Using inverse cosine would then give 3.2 * 2 degrees from horizon to horizon, which would be the distance of 356 kilometers. </p><p>Knowing the amount of time it took for the object to travel the distance from horizon to horizon would make it possible to determine whether the speed is something that is possible for a cloud in high altitude.</p><p>Ofcourse, if the altitude of the object was only 5 kilometers, that would give a distance of 252 kilometers from horizon to horizon.&nbsp;</p><p>Whenever observing a object in motion in the sky, it would help to time how much time it took for the object to travel from a known star to another, if possible. This would make it possible to determine the angular velocity of the object.</p><p>Edit: here are the horizontal speeds for a object covering the distance of horizon to horizon in 10 minutes (direct overhead pass):</p><p>10 Km altitude = 593 m/s</p><p>5 Km altitude = 420 m/s</p><p>1 Km altitude = 188 m/s&nbsp;</p>

 

[Archer17]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Behind. I assume rear. My guess infront would be at the direction heading and behind direction comming from not on the other side of what ever it was.. It was not see through. Like the tail of a meteor is behind it . This what I thought the question was.&nbsp; <br />Posted by deapfreeze</DIV></p><p>OK. Look, the last thing I as a "newbie"&nbsp;want to&nbsp;do is make snap assumptions about posters here and if you claim you thought&nbsp;MW's question had to do with a&nbsp;meteor "tail"&nbsp;even though 99.9% of members here know meteors don't look like gray circles and you never even mentioned a "tail," so be it, &nbsp;but as far as I'm concerned&nbsp;your posts here have been just as enigmatic as the object you describe. </p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>