Obama Video ~ You decide ~ Warning may be a Shock!

PHD · Nov 13, 2008

I tried to Post to Manny's long post but was unsuccessful. Must be my computer, since I am having problems. With that said.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_RvYAQh1Fc&feature=relatedI find this video a bit disturbing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.""For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." </div>

Saiph · Nov 14, 2008

Looks to be just you PHD.  I added a test comment (which I deleted) successfully.It could be disturbing, but some of the quotes are obviously edited to be so.  For instance the interview with Mrs. Obama about "Black america will wake up".  She's merely stating a confidence that the demographic will end up supporting Sen. Obama, nothing so rabble rousing as it sounds. As for a lot of the other quotes, taken from his book.  We don't really know the context just from this video.  He could be talking about views he held, or his peers held, in his youth.  A lot of them are actually phrased as things told to him by a friend (usually Ray).  Anybody here read the book that's able and willing to enlighten us on the actual context of the quotes?  Yeah, a lot of them are things he attributes as other people saying.  They could easily be a set up for a rebuttal on his part. Here's another example, at ~2:10 in the video:  Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And yet, even as I imagined following Malcom's call, one line in the book stayed with me.  He spoke of a wish he'd once had, the wish that the white blood that ran through him, there by act of violence, might somehow be expunged</DIV>Sounds pretty bad at first read but at a slightly closer look there's a bit of a clue to some other context.  The phrases "and yet" along with "stayed with me" actually indicate doubt and second thoughts.  He could very well be saying that he was motivated to follow Malcom, to fight for black rights in the same way, except that this wish of malcoms gave him pause.  As if this ISN'T what Obama wanted. Without the rest of the context for these quotes we really can't know.  I also love the quotes from Rev. Wight (~8:30)...which aren't by Obama at all.  Granted, the video tries to make the case that Obama is lying about his ignorance of the views stated by the Rev.  They cut from a clip of him denying his knowledge or presence in the congregation when the claims were made, to one of the Rev saying "there is a man here" referring to Obama.  Of course, the clip of the Rev. is obviously from a different sermon than the ones in which the video shows him making his absurd claims, so it doesn't really prove anything.Now, I'm not saying that Obama is telling the whole truth, just that the video makes a pretty poor case against Obama's claim.  They showed a clip that seems to indicate that Obama attended at least one of the services...but not necessarily a service where the Rev. is a nutter.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

centsworth_II · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>...I find this video a bit disturbing. Posted by PHD</DIV> I understand that people can be disturbed when someone stands up and points to the elephant in the room. But your warning that it "may be a shock" is way over the top.  It sounds like a thoughtful, intelligent look at the tensions between blacks and whites at the time. (I'm talking about the quotes from Obama's book.  The interspersed video is crap.) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Kerberos · Nov 14, 2008

Obama said he attended some 500 services at Wright's church, so I'm thinking that he had to know that Wright was into the crazy Liberation Theology. Either that, or he was a sound sleeper. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-smile.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> LSD, 100 micrograms I.M. </div>

PHD · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I understand that people can be disturbed when someone stands up and points to the elephant in the room. But your warning that it "may be a shock" is way over the top.  It sounds like a thoughtful, intelligent look at the tensions between blacks and whites at the time. (I'm talking about the quotes from Obama's book.  The interspersed video is crap.) Posted by centsworth_II</DIV>I said, may be. Because, I was not sure how it would be received by the reader/listner. Nothing less, nothing more. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.""For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." </div>

Astronoid · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I said, may be. Because, I was not sure how it would be received by the reader/listner. Nothing less, nothing more. Posted by PHD</DIV> That is a powerful video....  wow!   Regarding the public....  as influence...  propaganda...  Could or could not be the truth,  I am not very familiar with Obama's beliefs.    On a side note....  I really think a president needs to be in office that "sees" human nature as a system rather than be caught up in the emotional aspects of the system.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img src="http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/orgling/smileycollabpngzz6-1.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket" /> </div>

dragon04 · Nov 14, 2008

I dunno. I didn't find anything particularly offensive or shocking. I can sse though how someone might have a strong reaction should they take some of the content in the wrong context.Now... There was something I didn't understand. Whoever complired this video obviously intended the viewer to take what was said in a very narrow context, but more importantly, they want the viewer to believe that everything written and said are Barack Obama's words and also originate from him.This is clearly not the case. He is obviously quoting someone else in several of those passages. I assume that person to be his father considering the title of he book? Unless I'm mistaken, the creator of the video is attempting to mislead the viewer a la Michael Moore.Taken in proper context, I certainly could understand the anger of a black African living in Africa during the years of Apartheid and the general attitude between blacks and whites in those days.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!". </div>

PHD · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I dunno. I didn't find anything particularly offensive or shocking. I can sse though how someone might have a strong reaction should they take some of the content in the wrong context.Now... There was something I didn't understand. Whoever complired this video obviously intended the viewer to take what was said in a very narrow context, but more importantly, they want the viewer to believe that everything written and said are Barack Obama's words and also originate from him.This is clearly not the case. He is obviously quoting someone else in several of those passages. I assume that person to be his father considering the title of he book? Unless I'm mistaken, the creator of the video is attempting to mislead the viewer a la Michael Moore.Taken in proper context, I certainly could understand the anger of a black African living in Africa during the years of Apartheid and the general attitude between blacks and whites in those days.  Posted by dragon04</DIV>I tend to agree. It was good to get another takes on this. After some more thought it appears to be an attempt to smear Obama. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.""For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." </div>

MannyPim · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Looks to be just you PHD.  I added a test comment (which I deleted) successfully.It could be disturbing, but some of the quotes are obviously edited to be so.  For instance the interview with Mrs. Obama about "Black america will wake up".  She's merely stating a confidence that the demographic will end up supporting Sen. Obama, nothing so rabble rousing as it sounds. As for a lot of the other quotes, taken from his book.  We don't really know the context just from this video.  He could be talking about views he held, or his peers held, in his youth.  A lot of them are actually phrased as things told to him by a friend (usually Ray).  Anybody here read the book that's able and willing to enlighten us on the actual context of the quotes?  Yeah, a lot of them are things he attributes as other people saying.  They could easily be a set up for a rebuttal on his part. Here's another example, at ~2:10 in the video:  Sounds pretty bad at first read but at a slightly closer look there's a bit of a clue to some other context.  The phrases "and yet" along with "stayed with me" actually indicate doubt and second thoughts.  He could very well be saying that he was motivated to follow Malcom, to fight for black rights in the same way, except that this wish of malcoms gave him pause.  As if this ISN'T what Obama wanted. Without the rest of the context for these quotes we really can't know.  I also love the quotes from Rev. Wight (~8:30)...which aren't by Obama at all.  Granted, the video tries to make the case that Obama is lying about his ignorance of the views stated by the Rev.  They cut from a clip of him denying his knowledge or presence in the congregation when the claims were made, to one of the Rev saying "there is a man here" referring to Obama.  Of course, the clip of the Rev. is obviously from a different sermon than the ones in which the video shows him making his absurd claims, so it doesn't really prove anything.Now, I'm not saying that Obama is telling the whole truth, just that the video makes a pretty poor case against Obama's claim.  They showed a clip that seems to indicate that Obama attended at least one of the services...but not necessarily a service where the Rev. is a nutter.   Posted by Saiph</DIV>FTA:"Despite Campaign Claim, Obama Told Paper He Attended Trinity Church ‘Every Week’ Thursday, November 13, 2008 <a id="ctl00_ContentArea_lnkByline"></a>By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer <div class="article-text"> <div class="mediaAlignRight"><img style="max-width:220px;width:220px;height:auto" src="http://media.eyeblast.org/resources/39274.jpg" alt="" /> President-elect Obama prepares to board his plane at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, Monday, Nov. 10, 2008, en route to Washington where he will meet with President Bush at the White House. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)</div><div>(CNSNews.com) – President-elect Barack Obama said in 2004 – while he was a state legislator running for a U.S. Senate seat – that he attended services at Trinity United Church of Christ every week.   This is in contrast to what Obama, as a presidential candidate, said this year after controversial anti-American remarks by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright surfaced. Obama then told news outlets that he did not attend the church frequently and was not aware of Wright’s comments.   The comments from Obama about his church attendance appeared in the transcript of an interview posted Tuesday on the religious news Web site Beliefnet.com. The interview was conducted on March 27, 2004 by Chicago Sun-Times religion writer Cathleen Falsani for a story on Obama’s faith, but the interview was not released in its entirety until now.   “One of the churches that I became involved in was Trinity United Church of Christ,” Obama said in the interview. “And the pastor there, Jeremiah Wright, became a good friend. So I joined that church and committed myself to Christ in that church.”   Obama began attending the church in 1988 and formally joined Trinity in 1992. Falsani asked, “Do you still attend Trinity?”   Obama answered, “Yep. Every week. 11 o’clock service. Ever been there? Good service. I actually wrote a book called ‘Dreams from My Father,’ it’s kind of a meditation on race. There's a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity.”   That is in direct contradiction to what he has said throughout this campaign year."</div><div>Link:  http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=39273</div><div>.</div><div>.</div><div>.</div><div>Obama lied.  That's something he is vey good at.....   No, that's not correct. He is not so great at lying. But he is very good at getting away with it.  And that's really a reflection on those who belive him more than a reflection on him. </div></div> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> The only way to know what is possible is to attempt the impossible. </div>

Astronoid · Nov 14, 2008

Obama is a piddy pudda flaba magster, = )  kidding Thought I would lighten up the mood <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img src="http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/orgling/smileycollabpngzz6-1.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket" /> </div>

vogon13 · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Looks to be just you PHD.  I added a test comment (which I deleted) successfully. . . . Posted by Saiph</DIV>  An aside;Curious (to me at least) that despite a seemingly relentless parade of Pluck anomalies, a new misbehavior can be almost immediately ruled out as another Pluck twitch in a matter of seconds.Some of us might be of the opinion that all anomalies reported be considered Pluck problems until ruled upon conclusively by the Imaginova/Pluck software team.  In view of the capricious nature of most problems to date, the recent admission the site was vulnerable to hacking since the Pluck switch over, and the on going slow pace of upgrades due, presumably to the software team being swamped with issues in  just keeping the site up, it just seems 'cheeky' to summarily blow off a problem report.      <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

Astronoid · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>  An aside;Curious (to me at least) that despite a seemingly relentless parade of Pluck anomalies, a new misbehavior can be almost immediately ruled out as another Pluck twitch in a matter of seconds.Some of us might be of the opinion that all anomalies reported be considered Pluck problems until ruled upon conclusively by the Imaginova/Pluck software team.  In view of the capricious nature of most problems to date, the recent admission the site was vulnerable to hacking since the Pluck switch over, and the on going slow pace of upgrades due, presumably to the software team being swamped with issues in  just keeping the site up, it just seems 'cheeky' to summarily blow off a problem report.      Posted by vogon13</DIV>  You ever wonder if we were a big science experiment..... this site I mean, watching the dynamics of internet social conditions, etc.  Wonder what their true intent is....  = )   yup.........         <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img src="http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/orgling/smileycollabpngzz6-1.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket" /> </div>

PHD · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>  An aside;Curious (to me at least) that despite a seemingly relentless parade of Pluck anomalies, a new misbehavior can be almost immediately ruled out as another Pluck twitch in a matter of seconds.Some of us might be of the opinion that all anomalies reported be considered Pluck problems until ruled upon conclusively by the Imaginova/Pluck software team.  In view of the capricious nature of most problems to date, the recent admission the site was vulnerable to hacking since the Pluck switch over, and the on going slow pace of upgrades due, presumably to the software team being swamped with issues in  just keeping the site up, it just seems 'cheeky' to summarily blow off a problem report.      Posted by vogon13</DIV>Of course, I'm not blaming the site for my problems. However, it is curious since I have spent almost every day here for the past 3 months that I received no less that 5 viral attacks. But, the web is large and no telling where these attacks have come from. I just removed a trojan an hour or so ago when caught. Never had any problems with virus attacks since coming here. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I just find it curious that's all. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.""For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." </div>

vogon13 · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>  You ever wonder if we were a big science experiment..... this site I mean, watching the dynamics of internet social conditions, etc.  Wonder what their true intent is....  = )   yup.........         Posted by Astronoid</DIV> We have the conspiracy theory of history, and the blunder theory of history. While it might be comforting to think the 'troubles' here are part of some grand design, and could be remedied at the flick of a switch at the end of the experiment, sadly, the reality is Imaginova management was suckered into purchasing a sadly deficient and tragically defective product.   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

Astronoid · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> We have the conspiracy theory of history, and the blunder theory of history. While it might be comforting to think the 'troubles' here are part of some grand design, and could be remedied at the flick of a switch at the end of the experiment, sadly, the reality is Imaginova management was suckered into purchasing a sadly deficient and tragically defective product.   Posted by vogon13</DIV> HAHA!!!!!  Yeah well I do love a good conspiracy theory...  = ) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img src="http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/orgling/smileycollabpngzz6-1.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket" /> </div>

dragon04 · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Of course, I'm not blaming the site for my problems. However, it is curious since I have spent almost every day here for the past 3 months that I received no less that 5 viral attacks. But, the web is large and no telling where these attacks have come from. I just removed a trojan an hour or so ago when caught. Never had any problems with virus attacks since coming here. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I just find it curious that's all. Posted by PHD</DIV>Hey man... You need to be running McAfee Security and Spybot Search & Destroy regularly. Spybot is free, and provides regular updates and has an "Immunize" feature that prevents a lot of that malware from getting on your computer. I've been running McAfee and SPybot here at home for the 7 or 8 years I've had a computer at home on the Internet.I do weekly virus scans and monthly I update and run Spybot. I can't tell you the last time I had a virus or trojan on my computer. And believe me. I'm sure I go to sites where viruses and trojans get planted. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!". </div>

Saiph · Nov 14, 2008

Geez vog, cut a guy some slack eh?  I did a quick check to see if it was serious, like a max-size limit on the thread or somesuch.  Sorry I didn't do a full diagnostic report for you.Anyway, any more discussion of pluck bugs or such can take place in another thread.  This one's for Obama's race comments.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

vladdrac · Nov 14, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I tried to Post to Manny's long post but was unsuccessful. Must be my computer, since I am having problems. With that said.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_RvYAQh1Fc&feature=relatedI find this video a bit disturbing. Posted by PHD</DIV> I didn't watch past the first white folks comment......naturally taken out of the context of the whole passage.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

jim48 · Nov 14, 2008

<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" align="center"><tbody><tr><td width="268" align="center" valign="top">As of January 20th, the Marine band will no longer play "Hail to the Chief" for the president. This will be played instead... by the Harlem Boys Choir.

vogon13 · Nov 15, 2008

We have the conspiracy theory of history, and the blunder theory of history. While it might be comforting to think the 'troubles' with Rev. Wright are part of some grand design, and could be remedied at the flick of a switch at the end of the experiment, sadly, the reality is Obama blundered into a 'neo-liberation theology church' and was probably too complacent, with all the other stuff going on in his life in politics, to notice he was in a sadly dysfunctional church with a tragically defective message.       <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!So many people, so few recipes !!Let's clean up this stinkhole !! </div>

l3p3r · Nov 15, 2008

The Wonder and Majesty of unrelated quotes edited together? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

dragon04 · Nov 15, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>As of January 20th, the Marine band will no longer play "Hail to the Chief" for the president. This will be played instead... by the Harlem Boys Choir.The Jeffersons Theme LyricsMovin' on Up by Jeff Barry and Ja'net Dubois - The Jeffersons LyricsWell we're movin on up, To the east side. To a deluxe apartment in the sky. Movin on up To the east side. We finally got a piece of the pie. Fish don't fry in the kitchen; Beans don't burn on the grill. Took a whole lotta tryin' Just to get up that hill. Now we're up in teh big leagues Gettin' our turn at bat. As long as we live, it's you and me baby There ain't nothin wrong with that. Well we're movin on up, To the east side. To a deluxe apartment in the sky. Movin on up To the east side. We finally got a piece of the pie. Posted by jim48</DIV>Hmmm... That's dangerously close (IMO) to a racist or at least very inappropriately derogatory post, man. I'd tread lightly. Ya don't have to walk on eggshells around here, mind you, but....... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!". </div>

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