Predictability of universe

[scull]

"PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER ! ! ! !"<br /><br /><br />you tell yourself that, "vogon13"....<br /><br />after all: you = me = we<br /><br /><br />--

 

[scull]

"I am schizophrenic and so am I...." <br /><br /><br />That's right, "Eric2006"....<br /><br />YOU are......<br /><br /><br />--

 

[vogon13]

I don't know if I'm coming or going.<br /><br />Well, maybe both now . . . . . . . <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

I am besides myself with anxiety.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[scull]

LOL<br /><br />anxiety = yeah, that's a big part of this kind of personality disorder...<br /><br /><br /><br />--

 

[eric2006]

"anxiety = yeah, that's a big part of this kind of personality disorder..."<br /><br />I just took a valium so you should feel better soon.

 

[scull]

LOL....<br /><br />"Eric2006" -- have a sandwich as well. I'm starving..<br /><br /><br /><br />--

 

[eric2006]

"Eric2006" -- have a sandwich as well. I'm starving.. "<br /><br />Sure. I don't mind if you do. Supersize that for vogon13. He is eating for a cluster now.

 

[eric2006]

Did you find anything useful in this thread?

 

[vogon13]

The point is, once you put people in a universe<br /><br /><br /><br />{pause for dramatic effect}<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />IT'S UNPREDICTABLE ! ! ! !<br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Well now, how do you explain that vogon13 and eric2006 are online at the same time?

 

[unlearningthemistakes]

I imagine eric slapping himself in retaliation to scull and vogon <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>pain is inevitable</p><p>suffering is optional </p> </div>

 

[eric2006]

jatslo,<br /><br />I didn't want to be the one to tell you this but....you are not real either.

 

[unlearningthemistakes]

hes not?<br /><br />huh?<br /><br />Okay.<br />Im sleeping now... <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>pain is inevitable</p><p>suffering is optional </p> </div>

 

[spacester]

Funny stuff. <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br />What The Bleep Do We Know?<br /><br />I seem to have observed a trend and Nightsky656 is consistent. It seems that a deterministic universe makes more sense to us in our youth, and as the years go by we often come to see things the other way.<br /><br />That movie is worth seeing no matter how many personalities you harbor . . .<br /><br />. . . and nightsky656, given your third paragraph, it is an absolute MUST SEE for you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[newtonian]

Nightsky656 - I will avoid the levity above and try to respond to your opening post.<br /><br />Hi!<br /><br />An excellent question that deserves serious and in depth response. <br /><br />Here is a effort to return this thread to your questions:<br /><br />The universe has laws and properties that were set by our Creator at creation:<br /><br />(Job 38:33) . . .Have you come to know the statutes of the heavens, Or could you put its authority in the earth?<br /><br />Many of these laws do have authority on the earth, so that scientists have studied them and, in some cases, understand them quite well (the nature of gravity is understood not all that well).<br /><br />That being said, there is plenty of variety in our universe within the bounds or limits of those laws and properties. E.g.:<br /><br />(1 Corinthians 15:39-41) 39 Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, and there is another flesh of cattle, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. 40 And there are heavenly bodies, and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort. 41 The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, star differs from star in glory.<br /><br />And recent scientific studies have confirmed not only the vast variety in life forms on earth, but also variety in types of stars and the glory they radiate.<br /><br />How many of these things were set at creation? Were any changes made after creation, thus making the universe somewhat unpredictable?<br /><br />The laws of physics and the properties of our universe are amazingly fine tuned. <br /><br />The expansion, for example, is extremely close to omega=1, the crucial point of density between eternal expansion and collapse.<br /><br />It makes one wonder whether God made it this way so He could easily tip the balance either way, allowing the possibility of destruction and starting over.<br /><br />T

 

[j_rankin]

Cool concept, not too original though

 

[j_rankin]

Read Isaac Asimov's foundation series of sci-fi novels. They are based around the story of a man who came up with a formula to predict everything that would happen for millenia to come. Really really cool stuff.

 

[newtonian]

Nightsky656 - You also are hitting on two contradicting beliefs (or, in religions: doctrines):<br /><br />1. Predestination. All things are sealed and unchangeable - we only appear to change outcomes.<br /><br />2. Freedom of choice, love based on choice. We can choose to some extent our futures, such as who will we marry for one example.<br /><br />We can change outcomes.<br /><br />We can, in fact, change our posts on SDC!<br /><br />I believe in the latter.<br /><br />Therefore, prediction of future events, aka prophecy, often is not seeing the results of a pattern already existing - though sometimes it is.<br /><br />One of the reasons the Bible condemns astrology and other forms of spirititistic practice involving predicting the future is that a person who gets involved with these things is actually asking for their future to be controled by.....<br /><br />In other words, the events were not sealed but caused by the process of seeking to predict by a spiritistic method.<br /><br />In short - these are very dangerous practices.<br /><br />On the positive side: the creation of love by God [note that no computer can love] involves choice and cannot be programmed, sealed or predestined.