Question about sun/stars

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robnissen

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Due to my poor googling skills, I could not find the answer to these questions:<br /><br />1. Who was the first person (or group if no one can take credit individually) to hypothesize that the sun was merely a close star?<br /><br />2. How was this proven, and by who, if not the same as 1 above?<br /><br />Thanks for any info that you can provide.
 
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CalliArcale

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You're probably better off asking the question in reverse -- who was the first to postulate that the stars were merely very distant suns?<br /><br />I don't know if there really is an answer to that question, because it's been speculated for a very long time -- much longer than it's been possible to tell what the "fixed" stars really are. However, the answer is most likely tied up in the question of the Aristotelian cosmology (which held that the stars were fixed to a perfect sphere that was the edge of the known universe). This model was challenged many times; there were even challenges back in antiquity. (Democritus even suggested that the stars could be suns with planets orbiting them.) But when we think about mainstream science turning against geocentrism, we think largely of the Renaissance.<br /><br />The traditional view was that the Earth was the center of the universe, and everything went around it. Well, more or less. There were some variations in this. But by and large, the stars were held to be fixed -- literally. They were either holes in a vast, spherical firmament which allowed the light of the highest Heaven to pass through, or they were lamps attached to the firmament. Either way, fixed. This explained why, unlike the planets, they didn't move.<br /><br />But just as astronomers began to question whether the planets really orbited the Earth, they began to question whether or not the fixed stars were really fixed. By Galileo's time, it was a serious question, although to many it was still considered an absurd notion. Still, it had been suggested that they could be suns just like our own, only very very distant. Giordano Bruno suggested in 1584 that they were suns, and Galileo set out to prove it. Galileo was an ardent supporter of heliocentrism, and if he could find that the fixed stars had satellites, he's have one hell of an argument in his favor. He spent considerable effort mapping the heavens, looking for stars with satellites. Unfortu <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>
 
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IIRC, Herschel did a (IMO) very convincing experiment. He punched very tiny holes in metal, and then viewed the sun. He adjusted the sizes of the holes to simulate the brightness of the stars he saw at night. <br /><br />By comparing the area of the holes to the angular size of the sun, he was able to demonstrate stars were very, very far away.<br /><br /><br /><br />Sweet little experiment, and no traveling involved.<br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>
 
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robnissen

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Thanks for the answers. I wonder if Sirius was one of the stars that Hershel measured. If he assumed that Siruis ws the same magnitude as the sun, he would have thought Sirius was MUCH closer than it actually was.
 
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michaelmozina

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<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>You're probably better off asking the question in reverse -- who was the first to postulate that the stars were merely very distant suns?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I agree. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Sometimes it is very useful to rephrase the question just a bit. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Nice response. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>
 
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rfoshaug

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Found a nice article about it here:<br />http://solar-center.stanford.edu/FAQ/Qsunasstar.html<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff9900">----------------------------------</font></p><p><font color="#ff9900">My minds have many opinions</font></p> </div>
 
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alokmohan

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A very useful linkan you say whether Bruno was a scientist.
 
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robnissen

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Great article that completely answered my question. I also found it interesting that Huygens (namesake of the Titan lander) did try to estimate the distance to Sirius by assuming that it was the same brightness as the sun.<br /><br />Thx. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
 
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