LOL.. I've gotten the moon down to pat, and I've figured out how to find Venus-Saturn.. <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> But I'm hoping for more success finding brighter nighttime object like M13 and such. <br /><br />I like the 80apo, and I could use it as a spotting scope on vacation as well, which is a big plus, but the down side is its tiny aperture... I dont think it will do the job for me light gathering wise, which is the reason I mentioned the 120mm achromatic, although its probably tooo bulky unless I carry along a simply alt-az mount and pocket a blue-violet filter all the time. it seems to me that something like the mak-127mm would be a good all around compromise if it would make a decent terrestrial scope too. <br /><br />What about that ??<br /><br />also, Eddie, what do you think about the SkyScout Planetarium thingagig? I know, it's a big laugh on first thought.. but..<br /><br />...I guess in another decade they will come out with zero aperture computerized telescopes that works day/night, in cloudy weather, even the rain.. and even inside too!! ..and I've figured out how they will do it: just bring the "niftyscope" anywhere anytime, pop in the zipcode and time into the keypad, set the setting circles and point (even indoors) towards the sky, look through the "eyepiece" and view an LCD video image of the target though a classic refractor-like "optical tube". ..type away on the keypad to change eyepiece focal length, type in variety of eyepiece like kellner, plossl or orthoscopic naglar etc.. type in for refractor/reflector etc.. type in for size of objective.. works anytime day or night.. LOL! <img src="/images/icons/crazy.gif" /> that would be absolutely horrible in a funny way. <br /><br />Anyhow, I am actually interested in getting the skyscout because I think I can learn the constellations with it, and then I can use a REAL telescope for REAL objects other than just the moon. <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br /><br />thanks everyone f