Speed of Light.

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>300 m/s is awefully slow for light. I believe it is closer to 3*10^8 m/s. What really blows your mind though is that if you are travelling at 80% the speed of light, and you turn on your flashlight the light you will emit will not only be travelling still at 3*10^8 m/s, but will also be travelling 3*10^8 m/s faster than you at the same time. Maybe my shaky understanding of relativity decieves me there, correct me if I'm wrong. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />I got this from another forum and thought it would be an interesting discussion here also. It was posted by Boris Lipchin here....<br /><br /> Boris Lipchin post <br /><br />The guy brings up quite and interesting question. (granted not a new one but still) What would happen if we were ever to acheive FTL technology? Would the light traveling with us in our little ship be left behind, esentially(sp?) leaving us in the dark? Or what?<br /><br />About another post in that forum..I know that the speed of light slows when going thru something right? does that mean that if we were going 99% the speed of light that we would actually pass it at certain points? Does this make Einstiens Theories wrong?<br /><br />Ok discuss. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

I'd have to answer this in the "I don't know" fashion. Einsteins theories are something I'd like to see verified with SOL testing. Currently his theories are pretty well supported by experiments utilizing state of the art technology. Those familiar with these experiments will be able to answer your question here but the answer will be based on current experimentation. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Asking what happens when you travel faster than the speed of light is as meaningless as asking the question "What if the sky fell to the ground?" <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Why? Just saying this means nothing unless you add something to it explaining why you think this. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[vandivx]

you ask for discussion but you only seem to want to hear people that would play along with your fantasy<br /><br />"if we were ever to acheive FTL technology"<br /><br />whatever gave you the idea? is there any reason or fact out there indicating that it might ever happen? I suggest you think more deeply over omega's reply, there's deep truth in it<br /><br />if I was going to be dramatic, I'd say it is tragic what the particle view of photons has caused in the minds of men<br /><br />it is so easy to imagine that if light consists of discrete particles that are doing its thing (moving at speed c) and we matter objects are doing ours (moving at speed less than c) that it might be one vs the other, that we might race with them and see who will win - just like if photons were entities entirely independent of matter and it was 'who can beat who' race<br /><br />I would liken that to racing with our physical bodies and matter in general, that is, what if due to some technology we moved so fast that we would leave our bodies and surrounding matter behind us LOL like the rocket would stay behind us including our own physical body in it and 'we' would be ahead of it, our spirits that is...<br /><br />in similar vein, I'd say your mind is now outracing reality, being ahead of it <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />vanDivX <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Because it violates the laws of physics?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Laws have been changed and broken before. Theres no indication that this cannot be either gotten around or broke either. <br /><br />Now considering I'm the one that started the thread your assumption that I understood the topic was correct...however you assumption as to what the topic is about is clearly not. <br /><br />My post is about hypotheticals...not facts. ie...im saying what would it be like IF FTL drive is possible?<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>What would happen if we were ever to acheive FTL technology? Would the light traveling with us in our little ship be left behind, esentially(sp?) leaving us in the dark? Or what? <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />What would happen? What would it be like? If you wish to talk about laws and what not as proof that FTL technology is impossible then this is not the thread for you. If you wish to talk about what it might be like or what might happen if we did acheive FTL then this is the thread for you.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>you ask for discussion but you only seem to want to hear people that would play along with your fantasy<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />It may very well be fantasy to you. But there is no proof that the Laws of Physics are absolute and unchangeable. The only proof we have is in our <b>very</b> limited understanding of the universe. Something you might want to remember is that Laws created by man are fallible. Reason for this? Man is fallible. <br /><br /><i>Why must people ALWAYS think that there is no more to anything when we havent even scratched the surface of what is possible and whats not?</i> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[SpeedFreek]

All we can do is use current theory and try to predict the results of hypothetical scenarios.<br /><br />With respect to the speed of light, the best we can do right now is use special relativity.<br /><br />Special relativity predicts (and I'm simplifiying things greatly here) that you cannot accelerate an object with mass to the speed of light.<br /><br />It also predicts length contraction and time dilation when moving at relativistic speeds. As you get closer to the speed of light, the distance to your destination and your experience of time shrink exponentially. But light always moves at c, relative to you.<br /><br />A 5 light year journey will always look (from the outside, i.e. an observer watching from a distance) like it takes 5 years for light, and more than 5 years for anything travelling slower than light. But to the traveller themselves, the journey is much shorter the closer they get to light speed. A 5 light year journey at 0.999c would take the traveller a little under 3 months! And when they are at 0.999c, the distance to the destination shrinks to 0.22 light years! But it would still look (to everyone else) like they travelled 5 light years and it took 5.05 years.<br /><br />When it comes to light itself the journey is instantaneous (but only for the photon - if we watch the journey it looks like it takes 5 years!).<br /><br />Now how can we apply this to Faster Than Light travel? If it were possible for a person to travel at the speed of light (which is supposedly impossible because it would take infinite energy to do this) then any journey would be instantaneous for that person.<br /><br />So if travelling faster than light, you are dealing with things that would be perceived to be quicker than instantaneous! If any journey at lightspeed is instantaneous for the traveller, how can you go faster?<br /><br />It may well be that the speed of light is integral to space and time and forms the bedrock around the laws of physics. Distances in space, measurement of tim <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000">_______________________________________________<br /></font><font size="2"><em>SpeedFreek</em></font> </p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

Very interesting. See this is the kind of thinking that I am looking for. The kind of thinking that goes beyond what we think we know. <br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>So if travelling faster than light, you are dealing with things that would be perceived to be quicker than instantaneous! If any journey at lightspeed is instantaneous for the traveller, how can you go faster?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />This particular spot intrests me the most on your post. Would all this be aplicable for longer distances? Lets say that you wanted to travel 999 trillion light years...would it still seem instantaneous for the traveler? (since it's instantaneous then the traveler would not see any lights flashing by or anthing like that.)<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>It also predicts length contraction and time dilation when moving at relativistic speeds.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Has any of this been proven? I dont mean to make it sound like I want proof or anything like that but since we at this time can't achieve FTL speeds or even light speed itself then it must needs be asked. Are we sure that time contracts? That mass contracts? Could it possibly act just like it does when your looking at it from the outside?<br /><br />Note: I have a tendancie to play Devils Advocate alot. It does not mean that I flip flop on my beliefs, it just means that I like to get people to think about ALL possibilites. <br /><br />So even tho both you and I (from what we know) knows that FTL is not possible. I still like to discuss the possibility of it for the simple fact that 1) we dont really know jack about whats possible and whats not. Especially when you have to consider that we know very little of this universe. And 2) It is a good way to exercise the mind and try to keep it an open mind. Which to me is ESSENTIAL to any advancement in technology. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[SpeedFreek]

This is all according to Special Relativity.<br /><br />It doesn't matter what the distance is, when travelling at c, a photon would experience no time.<br /><br />Time dilation has only been tested at very low speeds so far .They used initially synchronised atomic clocks. They put clocks on airplanes and left some on the ground. After flying around the earth, the clocks in the planes showed different times from the ones on the ground. The results did show some time dilation, although there was a difference in the clocks that flew east to west as apposed to those that flew west to east, which wasn't predicted.<br /><br />If a journey at c takes no time for the traveller, then the issue isn't really about them. It's about the people on the planets where they started and ended the journey.<br /><br />Imagine identical twin brothers. One stays on Earth and one travels at c to a planet 5 light years away. He doesn't age on the journey and reaches his destination instantly. His brother sees him take 5 years to make the journey. So he is now 5 years younger than his brother at home. If he turns round and comes back at c, the journey would again be instant and he would be home without having aged at all. But his brother would now be 10 years older than him.<br /><br />It is the above scenario that throws up the need for us to wonder about "FTL" travel. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000">_______________________________________________<br /></font><font size="2"><em>SpeedFreek</em></font> </p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

I've heard about the clocks and the twin theory. What I didnt hear about was what you noted about the clocks difference going from west to east and visa versa. Which makes me want to questoin that. <br /><br />Could these planes being in the Earths magnetic sphere of influance and gravity well (being the only two things that I can think of that could account for the differences) account for the time difference? ie: being in a gravity and or magnetic field influence have affected these clocks? Is it possible that if we conducted the same test at higher speeds outside our solar systems influence cause a totally different answer? Since time is suppose to bend around large mass's then.....Hope you understand where I am going with this. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Ok...hypothetically, what if the sky could fall to the ground. What would happen?<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />We would die.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>The laws of physics do not change and never had. What might change is our understanding of it. And our current theories about light is pretty damn solid and backed up by many observations and experiments.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Your right the REAL laws of physics have never changed...are you sure the ones we know about are the real ones? I'll get to the observations and experiments in a moment since it can be answered in this next part. <br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Relativity has been proven in particle accelerators where particles were accelerated close to the speed of light.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Now i'm not going to even pretend to know anything about a particle accelerator. So I will ask this question. These test that were done. Were they affected by gravity and or a magnetic field? If either one is present then it might skew the results. After all its not just the mass that affect light and time but also the gravity and magnetic field around that mass. What we know of the Law of physics is all based around these things. Does the law apply to stuff that is not affected by mass, gravity, magnetic fields? ie out past our solar system at the point which no gravity or magnetic field is. I'm not say that the Law of Physics is not correct...I'm saying that it might not be fully correct or apply in certain instances...since we've no idea how the lack of surrounding gravity and magnetic fields are like. See where I am going with this? <br /><br />In either case if you wish we can forget this line of topic and proceed with Stevehw33's post...for you it would prolly be easier to understand. (that last sentence in no way means I think your stupid...just means that you seem to ha <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

Very good post Steve <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />Now being as its "tunneling" what is it tunneling thru? Space and Time? Another dimension? Or could it be just a "bubble" around the "ship" moveing within our space and time but anything inside this bubble is not affected?<br /><br />I cant really see the last one happening but perhaps the second one? That is what I see as being the likeliest. If theres anymore possibilities please let me know <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> . <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>yeah but even in quantum tunnelling, the particle does not exceed the speed of light. It's an apparent effect.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Are you sure? If its tunneling thru another dimension then the Law of Physics may not apply. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>You must understand. No "travelling" is involved when a particle tunnels.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />You talking about "folding space" so that point A and Point B are in essence occupying the same space? I suppose this is possible. <br /><br />But if not then what about the distance? Even if you "tunnel" your way into a universe where the Laws of physics dont apply and hence you can go FTL isnt there still distance to travel? Please note that I am just trying to cover all the bases of possibilites and not really trying to argue with you. <br /><br />Hrmm I just rememberd a book I once read. Dont know if any of you recognize it but its about Tom Swift. (some of the newer ones..not the 60's ones) but in it he was able to convert matter into a "laser beam" essentially makeing it into light. He traveld around that way...I guess kind of like a transporter beam on Star Trek only over ALOT longer distances...could this be another way of traveling?<br /><br />(I know I know two different possiblities and subjects. But they still apply to this thread). Remember this is all hypothetical. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

Just a comment on your absolutes regarding science.<br /><br />I think Kalstang is just trying to gain a better understanding of science, in particular light speed questions. Your comments on how people do not have a clue about science should take into account the fact not all of the folks here are professional scientists. If the board were just for professional scientists. Half the posters would be gone.<br /><br />Would you rather just hold strictly scientific discussions or have a larger dialogue?<br /><br />Now you being the scientist should realize as well...sometimes todays most cherished theories become tomorrows rejected theories upon the development of a new theory that resulted from new findings or discovery of facts that refute todays theory, all of which follows scientific methodology.<br /><br />stevehw33:<br />And those who refuse to believe it? They are in the long run obsolete, terribly disadvantaged and will often NOT being speaking because they will not survive it. IN the long run, the universe of events will quell them very thoroughly and why argue too much with fools when the outcome of their sillinesses is already fore-ordained?<br /><br />Me:<br />Hate to rain on your parade here but a large part of the worlds population are not up on science and are getting by. Not doing as well as they might be but still getting by. No reason to believe they will be wiped out due to lack of scientific knowledge. Some of your comments have a dogmatic or preachy feel to them, not very scientific.<br /><br />stevehw33:<br />A failure to understand The founding Principle of the sciences, is precisely why so many posters around here have so many problems understanding what's going on in our universe. They actually believe like the old Greeks, that a priori knowledge is superior to carefully tested beliefs. and they are DEAD wrong.<br /><br />Me:<br />Some of the unscientific posters may also be looking for someone to provide a little leadership rather than being preached to. Why no <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

Thank you qso1 for your support. Your quite right in stateing that I am trying to get a better understanding. <br /><br />Steve has said multiple times that I know nothing of science, that I may have "heard" of it but that I know nothing. Well he is basically right. The only real education I've had in the sciences is up thru 10th grade. But then i've never said that I was a scientist. But does that make any of my questions less valid? Does it make anything that I may post that shows a fact that I have gotten from a reliable source less valid? In mine and Steve's discussions on life on mars he kept refuteing me even tho I gave some very good arguments and evidence that says that life on Mars is very possible. Not once did I say that life on mars is a FACT yet he always acted as if I had. Was I wrong in showing that kind of evidence?<br /><br />On this thread right from the very begining I stated that all of this was hypothetical. I understand that we cannot go faster then light. I understand the principles of the law of physics. But I also understand that any tests thats been done has been done in an enviroment that include some of the very things that effect light and time. To me this could very well skew the results. So I asked the question of weather or not it would be the same OUTSIDE all of these influences beyond our solar system. This question was never answered. Instead Steve went of on a tirade of how little most posters here know and that this lack of knowledge will be the "death" of us. <br /><br />I also asked what the quantum particle may be tunneling thru. After all it has to go thru something doesnt it? This was never answered. To me these are all valid questions. Even my question that I got from the Tom Swift books is valid....Could we turn ourselves into light and transport that way? Kind of like the transporters on star trek. Only longer distance. My question from this was founded on the fact that supposedly everything has energy or is made up of energy. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[SpeedFreek]

And then I'm here, just trying to help people understand how science thinks, rather than simply belittling any questions I deem too "stupid". <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000">_______________________________________________<br /></font><font size="2"><em>SpeedFreek</em></font> </p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>And then I'm here, just trying to help people understand how science thinks, rather than simply belittling any questions I deem too "stupid". <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Exactly <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> . It is people like you and qso1 that give me hope. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[vandivx]

"You talking about "folding space" so that point A and Point B are in essence occupying the same space? I suppose this is possible.<br /><br />But if not then what about the distance? Even if you "tunnel" your way into a universe where the Laws of physics dont apply and hence you can go FTL isnt there still distance to travel?"<br /><br />problem with you is you turn everything into fantasy, like this 'folding space' and other universes where physics don't apply (presumably the laws we have now) which are notions nothing short of bizare or wild scifi <br /><br />quantum tunneling doesn't overthrow or somehow invalidates Einstein's relativity, apparently that effect belongs to different realm altogether, the realm of particle physics, that is physics of particle behaviour which is completely different from how macroscopic matter assemblage can behave <br /><br />QTunelling phenomenon is the same class phenomenon like you get in QM double slit experiments or in phenomenon of entanglement where you get instantaneous transfer of spin states between entangled particles across miles of distance as had been experimentally verified <br /><br />that's not FTL travel though in the sense you talk about in this thread because nothing matterial is transfered between the entangled particles for one thing and for another it is instantaneous transfer, not just mere FTL transfer (distance is effectively eliminated from the equation and you don't grow older and even die watching it happen or stay young like in special realativistic travel at near the speed of light), as hard to understand and interpret something like that is, but the point is that has nothing to do with FTL or any kind of travel of macroscopic matter bodies<br /><br />what you don't seem to see is that proper hardnosed science is so exciting and almost bizare that there is no need to have some flights of fantasy into other universes or 'folding space' or other physical laws than those we have etc<br />also it is gross contradict <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[kmarinas86]

Are you going to pass on your genes?

 

[nojocujo]

We find that lots around here. It's a piece of brain structure. and that's the biological problem one must overcome, and why children MUST have the proper attitudes BEFORE they reach age 16. This has been known for 1000's of years. But it's been forgotten here. <br /><br />I think Einstein said he spent his early years rebelling againt authority and now he was one. Don't quote me!<br /><br />I had an uncle that worked at Los Alamos and then was Dean of Physics at the University of Houston.. You remind me of him. I think he was to himself the smartest person that ever lived.

 

[qso1]

stevehw33:<br />But the problem is there exists a procedure here and they must ID those who are clearly making a lot of silly posts, & frankly and unambiguously tell them what they need to be doing here, to hoe the line, and help/learn/contribute here. Instead we get bluto's garbage banalities.<br /><br />Me:<br />Some do that for sure. But I've seen some of Kalstangs posts and they didn't strike me as silly. There could be occassional silliness on anyones part. Then there are those that do it regularly and neither you or I are likely to change that. I realize you want to try to steer some of the younger ones in the right direction and it will probably work in many cases but as you know, not all.<br /><br />Plus the fact we really don't know each other that well despite the fact that some folks might think they know others. But that knowledge is based on posting alone. The remote aspect of posting allows folks to behave in ways they might otherwise not if in a physical group interaction.<br /><br />My reason for being nice is not necessarily because I'm Mr nice guy or that I think thats gonna change someone. It is because I do not know anyone here well enough to act any other way.<br /><br />I agree with a lot of what you have stated here in this post and in fact, to give you an example of why I try to be as neutral as possible...some of your replies tend to P.O. people but replies like this reflect a more level headed response. If I assumed to know you, I'd just reply back to what I thought might be a P.O. response from you. But by engaging in more useful dialogue, I find it brings the more reasonable side of a person to light. Because we are all human. One cannot expect all postings to be perfect so don't take offense at this one because non is intended.<br /><br />stevehw33:<br />This is a serious matter. and if you refuse to believe it, then the universe will give you an attitude adjustment, too. <br /><br />Me:<br />Believe me...my attitude got slam adjusted long ago. And <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

Steve this here might help you understand why I ask these questions even tho they may seem silly to you or others more knowledgeable. <br /><br />The main reason for my questions is to gain knowledge. The second reason can be understood in my signature at the bottom of all my posts. <br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />This one little quote means alot. It does not say that I presume to know everything. What it does say is that for every question there is an answer. Even if that question is "silly" . It's kind of what I live by. Another thing I live by is that for every answer there is a question. Have you ever talked to any kids between the ages of 2-4? Those children are always saying the ultimate question. Why? That one little word can be applied to EVERYTHING, no matter what it is. <br /><br />I really hope that this post has helped you to understand why I post the way that I do. None of my posts are meant to be silly or annoying (excepting the rare occasions that I reply to a thread that is meant to have silly stuff in it). They are truely meant to be inquisitive AND make other people think. I have seen far too many people accept something that is said just because it was said by someone that they respected and then a few days later find out that it was false. <br /><br />So in conclusion My goals in these forums are twofold.<br /><br />First and foremost to learn. <br />Second is to make others think on thier replies and always question everything. Because <b>nothing</b> is there <i>just because its that way</i> . <br /><br />I posted all of this in hopes that the next time you come across a post that you find silly or stupid you will pause before you reply and think to yourself "maybe this person is like Kalstang..." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[nojocujo]

How far off the post has this taken everyone. From what I gather someone mentioned inflation or a version and there are personal attacks because someone disagrees and someone is calling them stupid.<br />I AM STUPID. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING.<br />I WISH SOMEONER WOULD ENLIGHTEN ME!@<br /><br /><br />

 

[Kalstang]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>How far off the post has this taken everyone.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Yes it has. But in this case I think that I dont mind (yet). It will depend on Steve's reply to my last post. I am hopeing that my last post will settle things and then we can get back on subject. If not well....*shrugs shoulders* <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>