Star Trek: Enterprise... What was wrong with it?

[bdewoody]

In my view it started down that slippery slope when they got into all that time travel junk. I also agree that Scott Baccula wasn't the best choice for Captain. I was kinda hoping that Trip and the Vulcan Princess would have a kid together and somehow link to being James Kirks ancestor.<br /><br />But it was the time travel junk that turned me off <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Amazing, huh? With all of the fabricated technology and science of the timeline, it was still too cumbersome to come up with adequate plots using it. So they turn to time travel, which is (unless very well written), a lazy way to bypass plot problems. Anything is possible with time travel.<br /><br />That being said, I really did enjoy the evil alternate universe episode. Now *that* was well done, I thought. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[border_ruffian]

The actors lacked charisma.

 

[airconvent]

this crappy reason about not liking time travel episodes is turning stale. this is science fiction and as long a it is done correctly, I don't see why not. I liked the episode where their descendants came to meet with them in an alternative time line. Looking at the DS9 and STTNG, I can see the only REAL reason it failed was the stories were not as good, period. <br />The earlier stories intrigued, challenged you to guess the ending or had some twist in the end, Enterprise just went in as a space opera. this was good viewing for a while but it became draggy. <br />I was quite perturbed that they wasted the last few episodes on unrelated individual episodes instead of making the most of them to end the story properly...<br />just my 2 photons worth <br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><strong>To Boldly Go Where No Man Has Gone Before...</strong></p><p><strong>Live Long and Prosper</strong></p> </div>

 

[ordinary_guy]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>just my 2 photons worth <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Glad you could shed some light on that... <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="font:normalnormalnormal12px/normalTimes;margin:0px"><strong>Mere precedent is a dangerous source of authority.</strong></p> <p style="font:normalnormalnormal12px/normalTimes;margin:0px">-Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)</p> </div>

 

[vogelbek]

well, I'm the type of Trek fan who watched every eppisode of enterprise when it came out, and walked away with an empty feeling. The characters never had the synergy that other trek shows enjoyed, and it eventually got to feeling like every eppisode was a writer's block eppisode - they couldnt come up with anything good, but they promised to do better next time...<br /><br />Had I been making enterprise, I would have played up the theme of a ship full of ballsy astronauts in a fragile starship in a big cosmos. I would have had redshirt characters dieing all the time due to radiation spikes, shuttle pod crashes, alien diseases, and so on- heck, I would have killed off major characters every season or so to remind everyone how dangerous the early days must have been.<br /><br />And fewer "new-face" aliens...seriously, how many civilizations can a warp 5 ship really hope to encounter???

 

[lsbd]

Careful eddie, you might end up in Atlantis. Stargate? hmmm SciFi took a pretty decent movie and turned it into a crappy series. anything after the first couple of seasons sucked major arse.

 

[PistolPete]

Despite all of it's many flaws, I actually generally enjoyed Enterprise. However, there was one flaw in the concept that cannot easily be surmounted.<br /><br />The problem with the level of some of the technology in the origional sieres has actualy been surpassed by present technology expecially in the area of computer technolgy.<br /><br />In order to make Enterprise congruent with TOS, all of the technology would have to be at least somewhat less advanced in Enterprise in some areas and signifigantly less advanced in others.<br /><br />The only way to rectify this dicrepancy would be to say that after the eugenics war, the human race took a technological step backwards.<br /><br />However this could be countered by saying that contact with the Vulcans would have brought humans back to at least present levels well before Enterprise, after all it takes a lot of technology to run a warp 5 starship.<br /><br />Or maby I'm too much of a trekkie. Maby I should just learn to turn of my brain and just enjoy the damn show. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

In the book "Federation," it states that the total dead from the later war ("The Optimal War") was 37 million, mostly in Europe and North America, and was a nuclear conflict,. So you can use that as a gauge. <br /><br />Nuclear devastation and casualties affecting industry, level of technology, and production, of course. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[calliann]

I didn't like "Enterprise" much when it first came out but I loyally kept watching it because a friend kept reminding me how uneven the first season of a new show can be. I continued to watch because it seemed to be improving a little each season. Then just as it started to get interesting, they pulled the plug. I agree with crazyeddie, it was too little, too late.<br /><br />The theme song didn't offend me in any Star Trekkie type way, I just thought it sucked <b>really</b> bad! When I was in front of the TV waiting for the show to come on, I literally had my finger poised over the mute button so I could turn that stinker off the instant it came on. (And, man, I had to be fast! That thing blared out with very little warning and once I got those first few notes in my head, I was stuck with the song in my head for the rest of the evening. Aaarrgghh! I hated that thing!)<br /><br />The makers of Star Trek have always felt the need to put at least one female per show in a body suit. Counselor Troi, 7 of 9, T'Pol. It's a ST tradition, neither here nor there, as far as I'm concerned.<br /><br />For me the lower appeal of the series was due to the characters. As others have pointed out, the characters weren't that interesting to start with and they didn't start showing development until it was too late for the series. However, for me, the biggest flaw was the lack of chemistry between the characters. None of them seemed to mesh and/or collide as interestingly as the characters in the other series did.<br /><br /><font color="orange">Wow! I was amazed to read about others' experiences being a Nielson family. We just got done being one and all we had to do was record what we watched in a little booklet. </font>/safety_wrapper>

 

[PistolPete]

Thank you, CalliAnn for bringing up the theme song again. Now <b><i>I'm</i></b> gonna have that damn song running through my head all day! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[calliann]

Oh, sorry! Okay, here's something to drown it out --<br /><br /><font color="orange">Who can take a sunrise<br />Sprinkle it with dew?<br />Cover it in chocolate<br />And a miracle or two<br />The candyman<br />The candyman can<br />The candyman can<br />Cause he mixes it with love<br />And makes the world taste good</font><br /><br />All better now? <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />

 

[darth_elmo]

AAAARRRRRGGGHHHH!

 

[spacefire]

The only ST I enjoyed what TNG. It came on TV when I was at that age. I got to watch TOS later on and didn't warm up to it. Same with later series like DS9 or Voyager. Simply put, most ST has failed to satisfy my SciFi cravings. Not enough technology and too much wishy washy human moralistic crap. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[mattblack]

You mean "Good Writing" and "Character Development" as opposed to just hardware, DUMBLY blowing the crap out of each other?<br /><br />Then if you watch, REALLY watch Deep Space 9 (as opposed to watching 1 or 2 episodes, then saying: "Yeah, I've SEEN DS9" when actually you HAVEN'T) you get the best of both worlds: characters who evolve and change, FANTASTIC space battles, PLOTS.... ALL the good stuff in other words.<br /><br />Bit like Babylon 5, really. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p>One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America <strong><em><u>CAN</u></em></strong> Afford it!!  LEO is a <strong><em>Prison</em></strong> -- It's time for a <em><strong>JAILBREAK</strong></em>!!</p> </div>

 

[spacefire]

DS9 failed to hold my interest. I watched more than 1 or 2 episodes <br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[calliann]

<font color="yellow">Um....I actually liked the "Enterprise" theme song..... </font>img src="/images/icons/blush.gif" /><br /><br />That's okay! I'm not one of those people who think you're stupid if you disagree with me. Your opinion's just as good as mine. Enjoy!

 

[mattblack]

Then: (adopts Jim Carrey over-acting voice) There must be something WRROOONNGG with you!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p>One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America <strong><em><u>CAN</u></em></strong> Afford it!!  LEO is a <strong><em>Prison</em></strong> -- It's time for a <em><strong>JAILBREAK</strong></em>!!</p> </div>

 

[elguapoguano]

I didn't mind the Enterprise theme music. I thought the words were actually quite fitting considering the images in the background... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ff0000"><u><em>Don't let your sig line incite a gay thread ;>)</em></u></font> </div>

 

[vagueship]

I liked the song but it didn't create interest or excitement for me. <br /><br />Technology is always a part of Star Trek. Since we've passed some of the devices on the show, it might have been a good idea to stay away from the tech part as much as possible to avoid comparisons. <br /><br />The grappling hook was a joke. <br /><br />A little more diversity in the crew. Not just color but from different countries. Compare the Travis Mayweather to Chekov and Sulu. Not much to compare.<br /><br />Archer to Kirk, Picard, Janeway. I think Enterprice loses on all three counts. Archer didn't have the intangibles.<br />He would bow up but he wan't as believable as the others.<br /><br />If they were going to do time travel, put T'pol and 7 of 9 in the same room. Like coincidentally before 7 of 9 was assimilated.

 

[ittiz]

Actually it was the Friday thing that really killed it. When a series gets moved to a different time it's easy to lose track of. I used to watch every episode. When they moved it to a different day I lost track and never watched again until the last episode.