Who was it that forced the Federation/Klingon treaty establishing the Neutral Zone? I forget their name right now. It's another one of the "super Q-Like" races. There was a TOS episode with them in it, playing as human-like mortals on a neutral world where the Klingons and Federation were both vying for influence.
Anyway, that episode never fit in right for me, considering the Neutral Zone was generally treated as "been there awhile" and the TOS episode that created it (or hinted at its creators) was just the year before, or something like that.
Anyway, I'd love to see that re-written into an older plotline ala this new envisioning. It'd give us a chance for some nifty Federation/Klingon butt-whupping contests and some political dealing with supra-beings.
from the link":yqpled0l said:
..Unknown force of nature Roberto Orci has previously said they are flirting with the possibility of eschewing the traditional villain archetype and have "nature itself somehow be an adversary." ...
In Foster's Flinx books, there's a dark, evil, mysterious, powerful, godlike, uber-nasty, inky blackness, something-or-other that the protagonist is trying to keep from eating its way through Commonwealth space. It's already responsible for carving a dark swath through the stars. Several ancient and advanced species were either wiped out by it or barely managed to survive.
Something like that might make a nice Saturday matinee' villain... sans mustache, of course.
But, here's the problem, as I see it. You can't keep escalating villians. You just can't. First it was V'ger, but he was just misunderstood. Then it was Khan. Now THAT was a human, passionate villain we could sink our teeth into. Then it was Reverend Jim from Taxi... Sort of a let-down. After that, it was a couple of meandering movies that didn't really go anywhere including one that had Kirk battling God.. or a reasonable facsimile thereof. How can you top that? Enter the Klingons and jerk-your-heart-to-tears-because-they're-so-darn-noble-zomg-look-a-doberman-puppy movie... Oh, and a prison plotline without the shower scene, thank God.
Then, it's the Borg.. and something like the Borg.. and the Borg again.. and some other crap.. and more crap except we have to go back in time to find better crap because that's where all the best crap is according to the Star Trek franchise.
/rant off
The point is that people expect a series to escalate. It doesn't matter what you have in it. V'ger was a "false antagonist" so the producers got off the hook for that one. But, Khan.. he was the most colorful and endearing antagonist of the whole series. They spent the rest of the movies trying to re-create Khan, but didn't understand why the audience loved him. /sigh You don't have to escalate just with antagonists in "versus" movies. Politics is good, if you know what the heck you're doing. Love interests, personal tragedy, "dire straits" where characters are battling for survival against the environment (as they may be suggesting) and all sorts of other plotlines can be used to represent a struggle.
You don't always have to embody an antagonist in the form of a physical opponent.
I don't really want to see a "versus" movie if they can't do it right. I really don't. Because, if they can't do it right, they're going to spend three more movies trying to make up for it by bringing in increasingly more powerful, more fanciful antagonists with zilch for character appeal.
Bring in Harry Mudd, for gosh sakes! Hell, at least I know they will be FORCED to make him into an interesting and appealing antagonist character. Then, if they just have to find some way to one-up the awesome mightiness supra-powers of Harry Mudd, they won't have to look very far.
Note: Ever notice how everyone knows who Harry Mudd is? He was only in a couple of episodes. Why do people notice him? Because he was a darn AWESOME character that everyone fell guiltily in love with. THAT is the kind of thing they need to pay attention to, IMO.
The Organian Peace Treaty.
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