point is not to do away with wars but fight them as they should be fought - in Irak for example, the objective was threat of some weapons and USA should have gotten out of Irak shortly after they got to Baghdad and saw that the whole country doesn't have those feared weapons, that's how war should be waged, ie, not as some missionary effort bringing light to people but come in, break infrastructure and get out and save tons of $s and lives which should be dedicated to space faring efforts instead<br /><br />wider view is that the West should have stuck with capitalism as it was around 1920 or thereabouts and not experiment with socialism and state interference in economy as it did in later times till today, if there wasn't for that, we could have been on Mars for decades already and have good start towards general space travel within our solar system<br /><br />one glaring sign of bast.....zation of USA (and whole West in general) for example is that its biggest fear is that somebody will come in to work (if we leave aside criminal intents), get it, for christ sake, they are affraid you will come in from elsewhere and work there for whatever wages americans offer you, if that isn't sign of culture that lost its marbles (I mean reason and freedom), I don't know what is<br /><br />it is not really wars what is holding us back from space travel but those collectivist ideas which among other make us behave foolishly in wars and which drain our wealth and will and which castrate progress out of men's minds and set it at fear for Earth, for nature... soon our culture will be again the worshiping sawages of the deep past albeit not in some grass skirts but 21st century suits but that is not essential what we wear and how we look, we can still behave like those sawages anyway<br /><br />vanDivX <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>