The Bible Code

[nightelf125]

Wikipedia: Bible codes, also known as Torah codes, are words, phrases and clusters of words and phrases that some people believe are meaningful and exist intentionally in coded form in the text of the Bible. <br /><br />The primary method by which purportedly meaningful messages have been extracted is the Equidistant Letter Sequence (ELS). To obtain an ELS from a text, choose a starting point (in principle, any letter) and a skip number, also freely and possibly negative. Then, beginning at the starting point, select letters from the text at equal spacing as given by the skip number. For example, the bold letters in this sentence form an ELS from the word SAFEST. (The skip is -4. Spaces and punctuation are ignored.)<br /><br />Often more than one ELS related to some topic can be displayed simultaneously in an ELS letter array. This is produced by writing out the text in a regular grid, with exactly the same number of letters in each line, then cutting out a rectangle. In the example below, we show part of the King James Version of Genesis (26:5–10) with 33 letters per line. ELSs for BIBLE and CODE are shown. Normally only a smaller rectangle would be displayed, such as the rectangle drawn in the figure. In that case there would be letters missing between adjacent lines in the picture, but it is essential that the number of missing letters be the same for each pair of adjacent lines.<br /><br />

<br />^Arrange the letters from Genesis 26:5–10 in a 33 column grid and you get a word search with "Bible" and "code". A myriad of other arrangements can yield other words.<br />-----------------<br />These codes imbedded in the bible tell of past events, current events, and future events. The probability of these codes occuring whithin clusters so close together is so incredibly low, and so many numerous codes are found, that there has to be a greater meaning to them. This greater meaning is that there was a divine

 

[Aetius]

The Bible is such a huge work that I don't doubt it if a glorified crossword puzzle based upon it can find all kinds of words we can link together in our minds.<br /><br />It's not like I know what Yahweh's thinking, but I really doubt that the God of Christians and Jews would hide a giant, useless Word Search puzzle in His most sacred book.<br /><br />You never know, but I'm as skeptical of this as I am of the Virgin Mary revealing Herself in a gob of chocolate at the candy factory. When <i>was</i> that, anyway? Last week?

 

[qso1]

I agree. One reason I'm skeptical is that if there is a Bible code, it flies in the face of democracy and self determination. The code presumes to know who our Presidents will be thousands of years in advance. So if one could see a name for the 2008 President. They need not waste time hoping that because they live in a democracy, that they somehow have a chance of being a President. Its already been figured out for them if they believe in Bible code.<br /><br />On the Virgin Mary in chocolate. Same as the Virgin Mary in stains on a glass which was popular in central Florida about 10 years ago. Its always said to be a message by supporters. What does the message say? Whats it suppose to say? Why wouldn't God just come out and send a "Kilroy is here" message instead of all this cryptic nonsense?<br /><br />If God made us all, he can talk to us all. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

If you find a mathematics book and educate yourself on such topics as permutation, combination, probability, and random, you will realize ELS is a load of steaming crappola.<br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

The main reason to show it's what vogon said is that there are so many translations and versions, which one are you using? In which language? What if a "the" or "an" is missing in a printing, or God forbid <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> a typo.<br /><br />Wear big boots if you pursue the codes <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[vogon13]

Why does 'steaming crapola' sound so much nicer when you say it?<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[nightelf125]

That's just it though, it's not useless, it has the purpose of telling our history and of future events to warn us and let us change what happens. ANY reasonable person can understand the fact that clusters and words, found on the same PAGE, in the same area, is just so, so, so, miniscule, that it has to be real. Critics DONT want to admit this however, as doing so would obviously cause mass choas and panic around the world. <br /><br />Recently, a bible code was found<br /><br />BIBLE CODE: NUM:24:20<br />ATTACK- ISRAEL - ARMY<br />MISSILES- ANTHRAX - PLAGUE<br />MASS DEATH - HOLOCAUST<br />EARTHQUAKE - HAND OF GOD<br />RETRIBULATION RECOMPENSE<br /><br />AUG 22 2006 the leadership of Iran will address the world as to their nuclear weapons program and illegl enrichment of Uranium.<br /><br />This Bible Code seems to say that Iran will order Hezbollah to launch a missile/ series of Missiles at Israeli Forces fighting deep in Southern Lebanon. In muslim belief, August 22nd is the Day of Armagedon.<br /><br />The Bible Code says god will destroy iran with an earthquake for this wiked attack on israel.<br /><br />IF this happens, any of these events, especially the earthquake, then the bible code has the potential of being proved true.

 

[MeteorWayne]

very mellifluous.<br />Sort of like Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<i>ANY reasonable person can understand the fact that clusters and words, found on the same PAGE, in the same area, is just so, so, so, miniscule, that it has to be real.</i><br /><br />Why? Which Version? Which Language? The chances of it meaning anything at all are much more miniscule.<br /><br />Have you checked out the code in your last post?<br /><br />What does it mean????<br /><br />MW aabuml <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

nightelf125:<br />Recently, a bible code was found<br /><br />BIBLE CODE: NUM:24:20<br />ATTACK- ISRAEL - ARMY<br />MISSILES- ANTHRAX - PLAGUE<br />MASS DEATH - HOLOCAUST<br />EARTHQUAKE - HAND OF GOD<br />RETRIBULATION RECOMPENSE<br /><br />Me:<br />This same stuff circulated around in the late 1970s. Different names (Nostradamus...Hister = Hitler), same sort of predictions for the same old reasons.<br /><br />Even if true, the reasons for them are lame. If a Bible code is found that says "Al Qada...terrorist...must stop...peace...Persia.<br /><br />Think anyone today is going to listen to the key words "Peace"? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

BTW, it was my understanding that the Davinci code was a fictional book based on Bible code ideas through the years. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[faraday]

Why oh why would God indeed Jehovah as it happenned to be back then, pick English to transmit His codes? And which English bible version would our almighty choose? And is He so biased that he does not also send the same messages in German, French and Italian etc. [what about Greek and Latin]. Of all the hopeless egocentric ideas this takes the biscuit [not the catholic one either]. Now if you had said Mother Shipton...<br /><br />TRY THIS:<br />The Bible Code:<br /> <br />From King James Bible the first three verses of Genesis:<br /> <br />1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.<br />2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.<br /> And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.<br />3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.<br /> <br />A. Select any of the 10 words in the first verse.<br />B. Count the number of letters in the chosen word and call it n1. Go to n1 words ahead.<br />C. Count the number of letters in this new word - call it n2 - then go n2 words ahead.<br />d. Continue like this till your chain of words first enters the third verse of Genesis.<br /><br />And what do you find? Yes God is so conceited that he needs you to find him again and again. Why does his name keep occuring? These are just coincidences; or math tricks. And no they don't happen occasionally they are more common than uncommon [a search online will show you large numbers of studies have been made on this topic which show how foolish and gullible we can be]

 

[andres08]

I think you people are too busy with words in Bible. Nature is talking to and religious are using also invisible points in nature to regulate countries, their lifestyle, with one word, religious are sometimes manipulating.. Please people. I am not talking about god trust. I talking about religous and their institutions. <br /><br />Newly I made on Google earth lines for Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Syria with some kind of results of how border in Israel and Syria was been made. <br />Part of my anlyzes was been deleted from Google earth Comunitty and second part was never been published.<br /><br />Their is also interesting point in east Iran. This point is double connecting and for me is it significant as some connection with north Korea. <br />Remember. I want to write it very limited, because something is bad and nothing is to late for urgency without loosing life. <br /><br />Andres

 

[tyciol]

These thiings have always made me laugh. With all the letters in these huge tomes and methods of reinterpreting them, of course you will find messages... after tha fact of course.<br /><br />This has been debunked, because people have found plenty of untrue messages in there.<br /><br />I like the idea of looking to nature for messages. Let's sequence DNA, and find a way to turn base 4 into base 26 so we can do an alphabet and tell people their gene codes written by god are telling them stuff <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[hracctsold]

I try to avoid threads like this because they are so closed minded about much of it. But to answer faraday from last August's post, I will attempt it.<br /><br />If you would look, you would find they are using the hebrew version of that work to find equal distance lettering choices of words. <br /><br />But as a side thought, it would seem strange that it would take modern technology to find ideas listed in a compilation of authors who many times were not in the same time frame as the other writers. Now, I have heard other people say they have found simular words in works like Moby Dick or such things, so my judgement is still pending on the authenticity of such a thing.

 

[el_dioblo_krems]

*Quote*<br />Recently, a bible code was found <br /><br />BIBLE CODE: NUM:24:20 <br />ATTACK- ISRAEL - ARMY <br />MISSILES- ANTHRAX - PLAGUE <br />MASS DEATH - HOLOCAUST <br />EARTHQUAKE - HAND OF GOD <br />RETRIBULATION RECOMPENSE <br />*End Quote*<br /><br />Which capter was this in? you fail to say.....

 

[steve70]

Faith is the cornerstone of glorifing God. Faith is based on free will, you can choose to believe or not.<br /><br />If these events are pre-ordained that negates free will and thus negates faith and that doesn't give God the glory he seeks from his followers.<br /><br />So why would God embed a code of future events in the text of the Bible?

 

[enigma10]

I found a code on my phone. Called it. Aliens answered. They told me there would be a code in my next toilet roll. My wife thinks i've taken up crosswords and my leggs are asleep. I cant get up. Finally found the code. It said D U M A R S E. What does that mean? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"<font color="#333399">An organism at war with itself is a doomed organism." - Carl Sagan</font></em> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

I think it means you stole another poster's TP roll <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[oker59]

not analysing(there's so many things to do in this world) this bible code idea; but, there is a factual bible code; it is called gematria; the hebrew language used the same symbols for bother natural language and numbers; there are books that explain plenty of bible gematria; Jesus is the 'Word' of god; Jesus is the alpha and the omega; and the old testament has all kinds of gematria predicting the downfall of this or that kingdom the ancient Jews wished wiped clean off the face of the earth(some were true; but, this was a case of doing what you wish and hence accomplishing it; others were false; they never got around to self-fullfilling prophecy on some gematria projects!).<br /><br />It's not surprising the Bible contains gematria as the Jews and everybody else practiced astrology; in fact, Jesus is the 'Sun' of god. The dead sea scrolls predicted(wished) for the Roman empire to be destroyed because it did not destroy others religions much less embracing the Jewish religion.<br /><br />Anybody embracing jewish/christian religion is either stupid or evil;

 

[el_dioblo_krems]

Wow I would just like to complment you on your enlightened attitude. Einstien was a Jew and Winston Churchill was a Christian, kindly tell me how either one of those two were evil or stupid.

 

[fismik]

I know there are alot of arguments for or against Bible code software .... I'm not going to debate it . Ihave used it & some of the findings are quite interesting.<br />I thought it might be interesting to try my own search using words, names: Edgar , Cayce, sleeping, prophet.<br />anyone who has software give it a try. Or let me know of any findings concerning Edgar Cayce

 

[lampblack]

Bible codes would only make sense if you do 'em using the original languages.<br /><br />Show me a code that makes use of the Greek or Hebrew, and we'll have something to discuss. But even that is an iffy proposition because there are slight variations in the early Greek and Hebrew texts. So which ones would you use for your code?<br /><br />There are so many reasons that Bible code is quintessentially horse manure. You might as well as try to find God's voice in a random number generator. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>