The universe

[neutron_star6]

How is it that the big bang came to be? Either two things come to my mind. <br />1) Particles were uniformly lined and one just decided to cause a chain reaction<br />or<br />2) Particles were freely roaming about until two collided and thus caused a chain reaction<br /><br />Though if it was indeed the first then how exactly did the one particle come out of place? And how did the particles get there in the first place if there was truly nothing in the Universe before the "big bang"

 

[vogon13]

Look at the 'BIG' picture, if you will.<br /><br />In an infinite duration, even large excursions from 'nil' are allowed. The current universe is dissipating into void and eternity. On average (averaged over <i>forever</i>) the current universe is actually nothing.<br /><br />Not even a blip, tick, or jot.<br /><br /><br />Heisenberg allows, and Heisenberg subsumes.<br /><br />The original zero sum game.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[nacnud]

I love your way of cheering people up on a Monday morning.

 

[vogon13]

Where, where are you tonight?<br /><br />Why did you leave me here all alone?<br /><br />I searched the world over,<br /><br />And thought I'd found true love,<br /><br />But you met another,<br /><br />And,<br /><br /><br />sbltttzz<br /><br />You were gone!<br /><br /><br />{it's a gift, bringing a ray of despair to the depressed}<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[siriusmre]

For me, when you get the question of original cause, you are necessarily talking about philosophy. I do not believe that scientific thought, as it is currently constituted, is able to adequately describe the Original Cause, no scientific paradigm can. All science can do right now is to help us try our best to describe what happened after it, based on the clues left behind. Perhaps, in some quite near or quite distant future time, Mankind will perceive and understand--again!--the collosum between religious/philosophical and scientific thought. I say "again" because, as many of you know, some of the first keepers of scientific knowledge were religious clerics. And, some of those ancient peoples really knew what they were talking about. I am not saying that we should hand modern scientific exploration over to religious institutions, but I am saying that at the base of all scientific inquiry--at the Original Cause--is a deep spiritual reality that transcends the ability to measure or weigh it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[neutron_star6]

I find it hard to believe that there truly was nothing. It just doesnt seem that it just appeared from nothingness. It seems that quite possibly that it always has existed.

 

[robnissen]

How does "it always has existed" advance the ball over "it just appeared from nothingness." That reminds me of the story (no doubt apocryphal) of the legend that the earch sits on the back of a turtle, which then sits on the back of a turtle and so on. When someone asked what the first turtle stands on, the alleged answer was "Its just turtles all the way down!"

 

[dragon04]

We have to get past that pesky Planck limit to know. Nature follows rules. We don't currently have the complete rulebook. We have some seemingly good theories, but no experiments to reproduce the conditions that applied prior to the Big Bang, if indeed the Big Bang is how the Universe came to be.<br /><br />Perhaps we DO live in a universe that is within and without an infinite number of nested universes. Perhaps every single point of our Universe leads to a unique and different universe.<br /><br />Infinities are a hard concept to get your mind around. My personal belief is that from the microscopic to the macroscopic, there is stuff. The ****** of the whole thing is that since we can't identify that stuff with scientific certainty, that may mean that we can't ever satisfactorily explain the lump of stuff we live in. <br /><br />Do outside universes or branes induce real effects on our universe that would help explain why our universe acts in the manner that it does? Is the multiverse a conglomeration of discreet universes that do not physically affect one another?<br /><br />Big questions. But beautiful and elegant questions. We play our one individual part in the symphony of All. We're like a lone cello in an isolated, soundproof room that somehow knows what notes to play and when to play them. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>

 

[neutron_star6]

Im not sticking to one theory on how the universe came to be. Im trying to put it together on how ways that it, being the universe, possibly came to be. I do not understand, as I have read with an article, that particles could have been uniformly lined. But that raises the question on how did even one particle get out of line if they were all lined. There had to be something there, obviously, for the universe to be what it became and what we know it as, now

 

[vogon13]

Universe is entirely allowed by Heisenbergian uncertainty, wait long enough, and it will all be gone, wait a bit longer and it'll all be back.<br /><br />You're just not looking at things with the right (infinite) time scale in mind.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[neutron_star6]

It goes to show that it is, like most questions and theories, it may never be solved, or proved rather, completly. Though many astronomers believe that the big bang happened and virtually accept it.

 

[nova_explored]

nicely put. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[vidar]

neutron_star6<br /><br />There are basically three fundamental theories about the universe’s beginning and end. There are the Unchanging Universe (forever as today), the Created Universe (Big Bang) and the Cyclic Universe (crunch-bang).<br /><br />If you do not believe the universe was created (‘let there be light’) by a Big Bang about 13.7 billion years ago, you would probably favour one of the two other theories.<br />

 

[neutron_star6]

Im not saying that I do not believe it to be true. I accept it as well as do many, Im just stating that there are too many ways in which the universe could have been formed. And in that sense some theories about how it was created dont make sense.

 

[alokmohan]

SDC MEMBERS ARE NOT EXPECTED TO KNOW MUCH BEYOND.

 

[googillion]

Anyone heard of Vertical Theory as a model for understanding infinity?<br /><br />Vertical Theory provides a new model for infinity. At its simplest, Vertical Theory hypothesizes that in a multi-universe model, infinity stretches both up and down vertically from our universe. For this to work, the absolutely smallest indivisible unit or closed particle in the quantum world is a separate finite universe unto itself. There are a googillion of these units (could be some sort of sub-component of strings) and they serve as the first level building blocks for our universe. Next it states that our universe is one of a googillion other building block units for a universe much larger than ours, the next level up universe (not a mega universe because there is always a next level up). And so it goes, our universe a smallest component to a next larger universe, that universe a component to a next larger universe and so on infinitely. Alternately, the same model moves infinitely down to next smaller and next smaller universal building blocks. <br /><br />The result is a new Vertical model for seeing spatial infinite in the minds eye, admittedly unknowable and non-testworthy conjecture that probably belongs in philosophy discussion. Yet, I was wondering if others have heard of anything like this.<br /><br />

 

[barky]

I read "If Einstein is right, however, about gravity bending light; we would not be able to see another universe because its light would be bent away from us." Is there a finite size to the gravitational field of our universe? Is it larger than the universe? Will our universe stop expanding one day when every part of its edge gets close enough to another universe to stop the light?

 

[zazzzoom]

The Universe<br /><br /><br />http://www.freewebs.com/spaceends<br />

 

[telfrow]

Uh-huh.<br /><br />I think this might be more fitting in the Phenomena forum... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[Kalstang]

Hrmm... between the thread comeing from a newbie and the title and telfrows reply I think i'll pass on this one. Not even going to check out the link. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Wise choice. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[Smersh]

From http://www.freewebs.com/spaceends/<br /><br /><font color="yellow">E=MC2 The equation for the atom bomb. It says that matter and energy are the same thing. So then what is that? Matter, look at a brick. Its in a three dimensional form. Its made of electrons, protons and neutrons (atoms) and they are moving so the brick is moving.</font><br /><br />Does anyone remember the Monty Python episode with Mr Keith Maniac from Guatemala, who claimed he could send bricks to sleep by hypnosis? <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br /><font color="yellow"> I outproduce Einstein.</font><br /><br />Ah, ok then ... <br /><br />Welcome to SDC btw. <br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1><p><font color="#800000"><em>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."<br />Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."</em></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Website / forums </strong></font></p> </div>

 

[johnnytheking]

very nice