Trump signs executive order to support moon mining, tap asteroid resources

[Admin]

The lunar resources that will help the United States establish a long-term human presence on and around the moon are there for the taking, the White House believes.

Trump signs executive order to support moon mining, tap asteroid resources : Read more

 

[Santa Claus]

I can see wars being fought over this in the future since more nations are launching missions to space. That's why the international community wanted to create a panel to oversee this type of thing.

 

[Wolfshadw]

He didn't. He just ignited a new space race, saying if you have the resources to get there, feel free to claim the resources you find there. A global effort might have been financially feasible, but now it's just reminiscent of the US land grabs of the 19th century.

-Wolf sends

 

[Lovethrust]

Could someone please tell me when Trump bought the moon?

He didn’t have too, nor does any other country. No treaty signed by the US (or any other manned spacefaring nation) forbids it, in fact private enterprise is explicitly allowed.

 

[Lovethrust]

He didn't. He just ignited a new space race, saying if you have the resources to get there, feel free to claim the resources you find there. A global effort might have been financially feasible, but now it's just reminiscent of the US land grabs of the 19th century.

-Wolf sends

Puhlease, why do you think China has been so busy with it’s moon operations? This race has been going on since the end of ww2. By the way President Trump didn’t declare the moon open to exploitation, the United Nations did. Also if this turns in to another Louisiana Purchase or Alaska “land grab” all the better...

 

[Lovethrust]

He bought it from Denmark after they wouldn't sell him Greenland.

Another boondoggle project guaranteed to waste 1,000 times more money than it will ever bring in. But it is the contractors that count here.....

Again, man on the moon? Been there, done that!

Hey if you want to anchor your fate to the Earth be my guest but get of the way of the people looking to expand the reach of humanity!

 

[RCKTSCI]

The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave.

- Ronald Reagan

 

[Leftyricardo55]

The lunar resources that will help the United States establish a long-term human presence on and around the moon are there for the taking, the White House believes.

Trump signs executive order to support moon mining, tap asteroid resources : Read more

I want the U.S. to pioneer Moon mining for profit because the Apollo Program proved that a nonprofit presence cannot be sustained. If by accident some scientific research should happen to get done, then all the better. Also Congress cannot be trusted- they're already trying to mess with Gateway.

 

[Catastrophe]

Is it known where mining will take place?
Do you think the US will stay on this side and let the Chinese keep the other?

Cat (from UK)

 

[kristi276]

In the good old days of colonialism many countries came under the boot of plunder in the seventh and eighteenth centuries for their natural resources. In the midst of the American "Revolution" the French and the British were battling each other for the booty of opium in the Bengal province of India. So what does this have to do with the price of rice in China? We are not the only ones going to the moon (Luna) and no one has land and mineral rights on the moon. Will we end up fighting war with China, India, Russia and Europe over the natural resources of our moon, and what will happen on Mars and other planets. This is why we have international treaties before there is a global war.

 

[kehvan]

In the good old days of colonialism many countries came under the boot of plunder in the seventh and eighteenth centuries for their natural resources. In the midst of the American "Revolution" the French and the British were battling each other for the booty of opium in the Bengal province of India. So what does this have to do with the price of rice in China? We are not the only ones going to the moon (Luna) and no one has land and mineral rights on the moon. Will we end up fighting war with China, India, Russia and Europe over the natural resources of our moon, and what will happen on Mars and other planets. This is why we have international treaties before there is a global war.

So, you're afraid we're going to place Martians under human hegemony?

 

[kehvan]

And so why is this a good thing? It assures private investors there's a nation state who'll recognize their claim on their privately gathered and constructed assets.

 

[Wolfshadw]

And so why is this a good thing? It assures private investors there's a nation state political party who'll recognize their claim on their privately gathered and constructed assets.

There. Fixed that for ya!

-Wolf sends

 

[kehvan]

I'm a left wing snob.

-Wolf sends

There. Fixed that for ya!

The fact is, a legal framework that's nonpartisan isn't beholden to a political party unless a political party is playing the system.

 

[Arod]

Could someone please tell me when Trump bought the moon?

Trump didn’t, the United States Of America planted our flag first and America technically owns the moon by that action, America will be the Police of the moon through the space force .

 

[Catastrophe]

I do find the parallels with Britain 'ruling the waves' and the present situation very interesting. Instead of Britain and Spain we now have USA and China (so far).

Good question - when did Britain (or rather England) buy India or Australia or Canada? No matter - we have 'lost' them now in the sense of Empire. History will work itself out.

Cat

 

[kehvan]

I do find the parallels with Britain 'ruling the waves' and the present situation very interesting. Instead of Britain and Spain we now have USA and China (so far).

When was there a pre-existing society found living on the Moon?

 

[mark2]

President Kennedy
Sept. 20, 1963
address to the UN General Assembly

Finally, in a field where the United States and the Soviet Union have a special capacity--in the field of space--there is room for new cooperation, for further joint efforts in the regulation and exploration of space. I include among these possibilities a joint expedition to the moon. Space offers no problems of sovereignty; by resolution of this Assembly, the members of the United Nations have foresworn any claim to territorial rights in outer space or on celestial bodies, and declared that international law and the United Nations Charter will apply. Why, therefore, should man's first flight to the moon be a matter of national competition? Why should the United States and the Soviet Union, in preparing for such expeditions, become involved in immense duplications of research, construction, and expenditure? Surely we should explore whether the scientists and astronauts of our two countries--indeed of all the world--cannot work together in the conquest of space, sending someday in this decade to the moon not the representatives of a single nation, but the representatives of all of our countries. ....

The effort to improve the conditions of man, however, is not a task for the few. It is the task of all nations--acting alone, acting in groups, acting in the United Nations, for plague and pestilence, and plunder and pollution, the hazards of nature, and the hunger of children are the foes of every nation. The earth, the sea, and the air are the concern of every nation. And science, technology, and education can be the ally of every nation.

Never before has man had such capacity to control his own environment, to end thirst and hunger, to conquer poverty and disease, to banish illiteracy and massive human misery. We have the power to make this the best generation of mankind in the history of the world--or to make it the last.

 

[mark2]

Puhlease, why do you think China has been so busy with it’s moon operations? This race has been going on since the end of ww2. By the way President Trump didn’t declare the moon open to exploitation, the United Nations did. Also if this turns in to another Louisiana Purchase or Alaska “land grab” all the better...

No, the UN by treaty (which the US signed) declared that space is not controlled by any nation and certainly not by a bankrupt tv reality star.

 

[Lord Hung]

No, the UN by treaty (which the US signed) declared that space is not controlled by any nation and certainly not by a bankrupt tv reality star.

Nothing in that treaty bans the exploitation of celestial bodies, only that one nation cannot came sovereign rights over it. Exploitation of minerals etc. may occur even if it causes bruised snowflakes a serious case of btthurt!

 

[danieldel]

The lunar resources that will help the United States establish a long-term human presence on and around the moon are there for the taking, the White House believes.

Trump signs executive order to support moon mining, tap asteroid resources : Read more

Executive Orders have no authority once one leaves earth. He has no executive power on the Moon.

 

[Virgil2U]

The lunar resources that will help the United States establish a long-term human presence on and around the moon are there for the taking, the White House believes.

Trump signs executive order to support moon mining, tap asteroid resources : Read more

Forget about wars being started over this, removing anything from the moon on the scale of mining it is tantamount to the destruction of the Earth. even elementary school children know that the moon's gravitational effects cause the tides of the oceans and not to mention other oddities of the Earth and by removing substantial mass from the moon will alter its orbit and also the tides of the oceans on the Earth. I can't really believe that any scientist had approved this ridiculous idea. Without the orbit of the moon, we could drastically change our own orbit around the sun and could in the end in time cause the moon to crash into the sun or worse the Earth.

 

[hasx7]

So, humans want to mine the moon.
They have exploited the earth and messed it up now they want to destroy the moon . . . then what? All in mad dash for profit and the creed of capitalism. Madness. Will end up bad for humans. They will find that they are not the only power block in the milky-way galaxy.

 

[Catastrophe]

Well, to be fair, I don't believe that the proportion of material one might wish to remove would have any effect whatsoever.

Don't forget that a lot (most?) of the material would be for use on the Moon and thus not decrease the weight.

The more outlandish suggestions would make a good plot for a Disney movie.

Cat

 

[armyspaceops]

I can see wars being fought over this in the future since more nations are launching missions to space. That's why the international community wanted to create a panel to oversee this type of thing.

Oddly, the U.S. position in the Moon Treaty was negotiated during the Nixon administration - how far things have changed since that era! Nixon also created the Environmental Protection Agency.

It will be a long time before there's a question of war being fought over resources in space - we would be well into Space 3.0 by that point, maybe 2075? When global warming and limits of resources on Earth bring society to the crisis point? As pointed out by O'Neill, and Ben Bova in 'The High Road.'