universe, whats beyond?

[qso1]

christiang:<br />By theorizing that there is something outside of the universe as we know it, wouldn't that be saying that the universe has an end.<br /><br />Me:<br />Correct. When I first heard the term Universe, I thought it was meant to convey an all encompassing structure with no end. I later saw terms like multiverse and omniverse and parallell Universes. This led me to wonder what we would call an endless structure. I then found scientists generally do not address anything beyond what they have no evidence for. And if you pretty much believe the BB theory, the Universe is finite and began in an explosion of a singularity surrounded by nothing, no time no medium.<br /><br />Most folks, including myself find this difficult to grasp I suppose so we imagine there must have been something for the Universe to bang into existence in. It must have been this grasping thing that had some scientists proposing multiverses etc. Personally, I have been able to imagine an endless void in which the Universe we know is a collection of galactic clusters and other collections exist perhaps trillions of light years away but we cannot observe them because they are so far out.<br /><br />But as I always point out, what I imagine is just something I concieved to make sense of a Universe existing and surrounded by something. We don't currently have any tools that could provide evidence for such a Universe in which case, as you pointed out, we have no way to effectively measure outside the known, measurable portion of the Universe. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[kyle_baron]

<i><br />By theorizing that there is something outside of the universe as we know it, wouldn't that be saying that the universe has an end. I'm also of the opinion that the universe has bent / folded itself into basically a circle, where eventually if you travelled long enough, you would end up where you started. Therefore, you could never really reach and "end" to the universe. However, I guess even if the universe is like an expanding balloon, there could be some kind of area on the outside of the balloon. I don't know much about most of this, but I can't believe there would be any way to truly determine if there is an area outside of the universe balloon. Any ideas?</i><br /><br />You're not thinking small enough <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> . Quantum Physics + String Theory = A Multi-Dimensional Universe WITH- IN our own universal space. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[branketra]

One theory I had on the big bang after reading some of these posts would be a black hole which eventually consumed too much matter and not enough anti matter or vise versa, creating a "rip" in it,possibly violently creating a wormhole(temporary or permanent doesn't matter at this point), sending all that matter through it at the speed black holes absorb matter past the "advent horizon"(point the matter is absorbed into the hole) and out the other end, and perhaps during that travel through, the matter passing through the wormhole overexeeded the wormhole's "matter capacity," exploding the matter out in all directions, making a "big bang." Or perhaps exploding in the direction more of the matter was going towards relative to the matter's original "black hole chamber."<br />Just more theories.

 

[branketra]

One theory I had on the big bang after reading some of these posts would be a black hole which eventually consumed too much matter and not enough anti matter or vise versa, creating a "rip" in it,possibly violently creating a wormhole(temporary or permanent doesn't matter at this point), sending all that matter through it at the speed black holes absorb matter past the "advent horizon"(point the matter is absorbed into the hole) and out the other end, and perhaps during that travel through, the matter passing through the wormhole overexeeded the wormhole's "matter capacity," exploding the matter out in all directions, making "a big bang," rather than "the big bang." Or perhaps exploding in the direction more of the matter was going towards relative to the matter's original "black hole chamber."<br />Just more theories.

 

[derekmcd]

I believe there is a limit to how fast a black hole can absorb surrounding matter, but I don't think there is a limit to how <i><b>much</b></i>. The event horizon (not advent) would simply grow the more mass the black hole gains. I also don't believe anit-matter would survive in the accretion disk long enough to enter the event horizon. Matter/anti-matter particles annihilate each other. Other than <br />that, what you are describing is a White Hole. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[alokmohan]

Universe came out of white hole.You call that big B.Universe came after white hole spewed yhe matter.Welcome discussion on white hole.Quasi steady state theory teaches like that.Indian scientist Narlikar is workng on it.

 

[oscar1]

I feel that we are asking too much when we ask a question that carries an incomprehensible answer, no matter what that answer ever turns out to be. I cannot comprehend an infinite universe, but I also cannot comprehend an infinite nothing beyond a finite universe, or even an infinite quantity of finite universes.

 

[sponge]

What I cannot comprehend is that the BB was not an explosion of such, but a rather rapid expansion that was faster than light, and came from the size of a singularity to the present day size within a few seconds, I think the terminology BB does it a great injustice. if we were an observer outside of the universe, this monstrous structure called the universe would have just sprung into being right before our eyes. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><u>SPONGE</u></em></p> </div>

 

[oscar1]

The bible chooses the garden of Eden as a starting point, while science more than less goes for the Big Bang. Ironic as it may sound, I prefer the usual beginning of fairy tales, the "once upon a time", whereby the urge to ask "when did that time start then?" somehow doesn't develop. Be that as it may, if the universe started in nothing from nothing, then the beginning can't have resulted in anything. But since something must have started the beginning, there must have been something. And if there was something, no beginning would be needed. I am not claiming to understand an ever being something, but I do find the thought of it more pleasing than there suddenly being something after there was nothing.

 

[pioneer0333]

Why not!! Everything has a beginning and an end. From birth to death, from quark to planet. This is a universal law to me. It's that no matter what, everything ends somewhere or am some point just like how it begins somewhere or at some point.<br /><br /> Don't think of universe as gigantic, think of it as microbial. Only because there is a limit, even if we can't see it it ends somewhere. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[sponge]

Pioneer0333 Says: <font color="orange">Why not!! Everything has a beginning and an end. From birth to death, from quark to planet. This is a universal law to me. It's that no matter what, everything ends somewhere or am some point just like how it begins somewhere or at some point. <br /><br /><font color="white"> Lets have a look a the belief that every thing has a beginning and an end. This concept, you must understand is only a human concept. We feel everything must have a beginning and an end because that seems to fit the bill. Look at energy for one, you cannot creat or destroy it it just transforms and there is no proof that it was all of a sudden created. The bb did not create it , it was obviously already there ,unless there wouldnt of been a bang in the first place<br /></font></font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><u>SPONGE</u></em></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

Oscar1:<br />I feel that we are asking too much when we ask a question that carries an incomprehensible answer...<br /><br />Me:<br />The answer is also one that IMO, we will probably never know. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>