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[holoman]

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[vogon13]

I think no one not part of administration should be imposing restrictions on the rest of us.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>

 

[qso1]

holoman:<br />I think NO one should post any concepts for new propulsion concepts on this discussion site.<br /><br />Me:<br />Why not? I mean, your thread title is asking for new concepts to be discussed and your saying not to at the same time...what did I miss? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[holoman]

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[MeteorWayne]

I think perchance you WAY overestimate our importance in the real world <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[mrmorris]

<font color="yellow">"...you WAY overestimate our importance ..."</font><br /><br />Heeeyyyy!!!! Speak for yourself. <b>My</b> postings are 100% liquid gold. You could make a small fortune with all of the concepts I've posted on this board.<br /><br /><br />Mind you... to do so, you'd have to start out with a <b>large</b> fortune... but that's just nitpicking. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[qso1]

holoman:<br />Point is, If anyone on this board has a great idea it would be adviseable not to publishe here.<br /><br />Me:<br />Generally speaking, when someone posts an idea, they don't go into enough detail for someone else to rip them off so to speak. But I also suspect those who have ideas that are proving in their development to be workable, do not publish until they have patents and whatever else they require for the idea to be legally theirs. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[holoman]

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[j05h]

All my ideas are open source. I freely communicate with most anyone about what i'm working on. If you want to copy my current project, you're welcome to try. If you want to colonize Phobos, I'll buy a ticket. Telling us not to discuss interesting ideas on a forum dedicated to ideas is somewhat nonsensical. <br /><br />Josh <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center"><em>We need a first generation of pioneers.</em><br /></div> </div>

 

[qso1]

holoman:<br />A patent gives no protection to the publication of an idea unless the patentee asks for patent not to be published when filed and asks for Home Land Security protection if the idea is worthy.<br /><br />Me:<br />If you have documentation that shows the idea originated with you, it can help you prove in court that you got the idea first. Not unlike a poormans copywrite where you send your ideas by certified mail to yourself then keep the envelope sealed unless or until needed.<br /><br />I haven't checked lately but I'm not sure that "Homeland Security" is actually tasked with any patent duties.<br /><br />holoman:<br />Ideas are money ! Just the discussion of a simple function or procedure could mean a breakthru.<br /><br />Me:<br />Thats for sure.<br /><br />holoman:<br />Protect your ideas NOT only for you and your family but for your country. They are woth it !<br /><br />Me:<br />Problem here is that it is "Country" that has many corporations that have agreements that you must sign to get hired. What your signing is an agreement that says any idea you come up with belongs to the company essentially.<br /><br />Another advantage to publishing ideas here in general is that your idea can actually be shown to have been documented here with time, date, your identification. In a potential court case one might be able to prove they had an idea by showing they discussed it in a forum so long as the forum pages are accessible a year or more later. Or that you screen grab your posts. No guarantee by no means but just an avenue worth thinking about.<br /><br />I do agree that if one has an extensively detailed idea, that one should keep it under wraps until it can be reasonably assured they can present the idea and not have it taken. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[bpfeifer]

John Carmak of Armadillo Aerospace posts descriptions of almost all work they undertake. He even posts detailed photgraphs of all the components of his combustion chamber and list specific parts he purchases. If you followed along his writings, you could duplicate and possibly "steal" all of his good ideas. Somehow I don't think he is concernd with anyone stealing his work. He would rather see other groups trying to duplicate his work, than keep it secret for some nebulous economic return. If Armadillo goes to full time, it will be on the strength of the work eveyone knows they have done, rather than because they own some "secret recipie."<br /><br />Yes, there are places where secrecy is desireable, but in an emerging industry it's benefits are questionable. If Carmak is at one end of the perspective, Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin are at the other. They make no flight test announcements, and they don't tell anyone what they are up to other than, "we are building an SSTO vehicle." Who know which is best in the long run? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Brian J. Pfeifer http://sabletower.wordpress.com<br /> The Dogsoldier Codex http://www.lulu.com/sabletower<br /> </div>

 

[propforce]

<font color="yellow">Who know which is best in the long run? </font><br /><br />... and that's the beauty of freedom & the market place!<br /><br />If you are not seeking OPM (other people's money), e.g., goverment or investors, etc., then you can do whatever you want. Most choose not to disclose the details of their invention so to protect their investment. They only reveal enough to gain the confidence of perspective customers. Big and small companies do so, such as SpaceX, Lockheed and Boeing, etc. <br /><br />But where do you go if you are just an individual and have no one to discuss your ideas with, or if you don't have hundred of millions of money to invest? You can come to a forum such as this and invite an open discussion of your idea(s). <br /><br />You'll have to consider the audience when you choose to post your ideas though. First, be prepared for rejection. Don't post if you can not handle rejections. Not everyone sees your "vision" and there are more doubters than believers in this world. Put it this way, if everyone agrees with your "vision" (such as the earth is round) then what's so unique about your idea anyway?<br /><br />Second, you get all kinds of people reading here. One time I posted that I've discover this chemical that can do wonders, it's called di-hydrogen mon-oxide (it's really water - H20) and I illustrated many benefit of this new chemical. It's known to grow food, clean clothes, and stop thirst, etc. I could see thousands of potential applications in the market place and make some really good money. I actually recieved PMs to solicit my "partnership" in their business! <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

dihydrogen monoxide is also a potentially hazardous chemical:<br /> link <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[mrmorris]

<font color="yellow">"potentially hazardous chemical"</font><br /><br />There's no <b>potential</b> about it. Thousands of people every year die from inhaling it.

 

[qso1]

Even though Carmak is very public with his companies milestones, he probably has enough legal protection to discourage any potential thieves. The idea is not so much to try to keep one from stealing an idea, its to prove the idea was stolen. That way, the ideas originator can take the thief to court and be recognized as the ideas true originator.<br /><br />Bezo's wants to ensure he corners and holds the market as long as he can but once his cats out of the bag, and assuming it's a success. He'll have copy cats at the very least. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[holoman]

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[rocketman5000]

I would say both ideas are better, if you need funding then more disclosure is better and leads to more press and potential funds. <br /><br />If you got the money you can avoid the bad PR should something go wrong.

 

[nexium]

New is not necessarily better and better may not be identified with certainty until applications have been mass produced.<br />Ok assume the new idea can advance future technology considerably. If you keep it secret, you may never get sufficient funding and the idea may die with you. The result could be billions of humans die, because we did not move 1% percent of Earth' population off planet.<br />I like open source as it gives many people the oportuntunity to embelish and improve on ideas. Neil

 

[rocketman5000]

open source is detramental to innovation, because it doesn't provide incentive to work on new solutions. If you can't profit from coming up with a new idea why would you try? For example, without patents the modern pharmaceutical companies would not develope new drugs..

 

[bpfeifer]

"open source is detramental to innovation, because it doesn't provide incentive to work on new solutions."<br /><br />I beg to differ. Open source certainly does not provide monetary incentives for work, but it provides other rewards. Have you ever made a tool, and then proudly watched someone use it for it's designed purpose? It's extremely rewarding on a personal level. Have you ever participated in volunteer work? Pride in accomplishment is a strong motivator. Not only that, in the computer software world, some businesses support and help fund open source projects as a mthod of multiplying their R&D budgets. These companies pay their employees to spend time on open source projects that directly benefit their own business model. I think it's safe to say that while open source projects do not provide direct financial incentives, they do reward participants.<br /><br />More importantly, open source projets provide a fertile ground for the exchange of ideas. This is one of the most important traits for any new development. There are certainly other methods, like locking a small team in a room and telling them the astronauts will die in a few hours if they don't come up with a new air scrubber design. But is is an effective method of mixing the contents of several brains to see what will shake out. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Brian J. Pfeifer http://sabletower.wordpress.com<br /> The Dogsoldier Codex http://www.lulu.com/sabletower<br /> </div>

 

[qso1]

holoman: <br />ideas on your time and money unrelated to your companies work are yours. Supreme court.<br /><br />Me:<br />Correct, I failed to point that out, sorry.<br /><br />holoman:<br />A bulletin board has no legality or proof of concept.<br /><br />Me<br />True, but if one wishes to prove they at least had the idea, this could be a way to do that. Often times I see ideas show up in the press etc. Or I see ideas show up in movies or books that I thought of independantly but cannot prove I did. I have no mechanism for getting my stuff seen thats affordable to me so this has been one of those methods available to me. I don't reveal too much and most of my ideas are just story ideas, not invention type ideas.<br /><br />Examples can be found in my "Amazing images" thread where I sometimes post a few of my story ideas. I do poor mans copywrite because I do not have the funding for the more expensive methods. I know one guy who claims he spent over a grand getting his official copywrites etc. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>