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The most important aspect of space exploration is that it forces us to innovate, to improve, and to learn. The single greatest benefit of space exploration was the microprocessor, which was developed to make putting a computer into space possible in the mid-1960's. Without the need for the creation of this device, desk top computers would never have happened. The desk top computer was never foreseen by science fiction, because no one imagined a need for such a thing. Some people have argued that the development of the microprocessor was inevitable, but the bulk of the evidence indicates that remote terminals linked to main frames would be used in any application requiring data processing in locations distant from the main frame.

Apollo needed the ability to process data while communications with Earth were impossible, because the craft would be on the far side of the Moon. Without that need, all of the advances in making computers small enough to carry under your arm would never have happened. The other invention that resulted directly from space exploration was the ceramic tiles used on the space shuttle. Velcro, Teflon, and all the other things attributed to space exploration were invented independent of the space program.

But the refinement of many technologies has been a direct result of the needs of the space program. Monitoring body status using telemetry was pushed forward rapidly, which has resulted in the ability to diagnose physical ailments without the doctor being in the presence of the patient. Rechargeable batteries evolved rapidly because of the demands of use in space. There are probably thousands of benefits that we have received from our exploration of space, but most, if not all, of them are not easily linked to the space program.

Some people say that there is no need to send humans into space, because our machines can represent us adequately. Ask anyone conducting experiments in chemistry if they could duplicate their ability to observe reactions with a robot, and you will probably be told "No!" Someone working on a problem involving mechanical devices would probably give the same response, because a vibration, a smell, a noise, might be key in figuring out what is going wrong.

And the most important thing, I believe, is learning to think in terms of the environment. We are the products of evolution in a gravity field. That is a rare circumstance in the Cosmos, and a handicap in learning the true nature of where we live. We need to live in a zero gravity environment for a while before we can learn to think in terms of what is natural in that environment. A match will not burn in zero gravity. Water and oil will easily mix in zero gravity. Bubbles injected into molten metal will not rise to the surface in zero gravity.

Room temperature super conductors have never been discovered on Earth, but we are extremely limited in what we can do here. Only when we can play around with stuff in the zero gravity environment will we truly be able to learn what is possible. And living in that environment will be key to that learning.
 
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StarRider1701":22hymqw0 said:
EarthlingX":22hymqw0 said:
Haven't you people heard of a Lebensraum? This one is most notorious, but hardly alone, do i have to point with finger ?

Arguing about this tiny piece of something in the middle of infinite space ? How silly is that ?

Lebensraum is a German word, literally translated means livingroom. Could also mean habitat.
However, the link you proveded goes to something that appears to be linked to Naziism??? Sorry, you will need much explaining of this post, EarthlingX, because I haven't a clue what you are trying to say here. Oh, and rather than providing more links or pictures, please just explain with words what your post means, because I do not understand any of it, especially how it relates to the topic at hand.

From wiki :
Lebensraum (help·info) (German for "habitat" or literally "living space") served as a major motivation for Nazi Germany's territorial aggression, was a reinterpretation of the by then century-old concept of Drang nach Osten.

EarthlingX":22hymqw0 said:
Arguing about this tiny piece of something in the middle of infinite space ? How silly is that ?
What do you have problem understanding ?
 
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...Don't we have this debate once a week?

Everyone has made some fantastic points. I will throw in 2 thoughts:

- Rare earths. Its already been mentioned, but I will reiterate. The amount of rare earths we have available is...Well...Rare. And dwindling. Especially in Western countries with decent human rights records. China now has a stranglehold on rare earths, and is not exporting anymore. If you want rare earths, you must either be Chinese, or have a business in China. That may be problematic for the furthering of research and development of exotic materials. What are rare earths used in?

Lanthanum comes from the mineral bastnasite, and is extracted via a method called "solvent extraction." Lanthanum is a strategically important rare earth element due to its activity in catalysts that are critical in petroleum refining. By one estimate, lanthanum "cracking-agents" increase refinery yield by as much as 10%, while reducing overall refinery power consumption.

Cerium is the most abundant of the rare earth elements. Cerium is critical in the manufacture of environmental protection and pollution-control systems, from automobiles to oil refineries. Cerium oxides, and other cerium compounds, go into catalytic converters and larger-scale equipment to reduce the sulfur oxide emissions. Cerium is a diesel fuel additive for micro-filtration of pollutants, and promotes more complete fuel combustion for more energy efficiency.

Neodymium is a critical component of strong permanent magnets. Cell phones, portable CD players, computers and most modern sound systems would not exist in their current form without using neodymium magnets. Neodymium-Iron- Boron (NdFeB) permanent magnets are essential for miniaturizing a variety of technologies. These magnets maximize the power/cost ratio, and are used in a large variety of motors and mechanical systems.

Europium offers exceptional properties of photon emission. When it absorbs electrons or UV radiation, the europium atom changes energy levels to create a visible, luminescent emission. This emission creates the perfect red phosphors used in color televisions and computer screens around the world. Europium is also used in fluorescent lighting, which cuts energy use by 75% compared to incandescent lighting. In the medical field, europium is used to tag complex biochemical agents which helps to trace these materials during tissue research.

Praseodymium comprises just 4% of the lanthanide content of bastnasite, but is used as a common coloring pigment. Along with neodymium, praseodymium is used to filter certain wavelengths of light. So praseodymium finds specific uses in photographic filters, airport signal lenses, welder's glasses, as well as broad uses in ceramic tile and glass (usually yellow). When used in an alloy, praseodymium is a component of permanent magnet systems designed for small motors. Praseodymium also has applications in internal combustion engines, as a catalyst for pollution control.

Yttrium is rare in bastnasite, so is usually recovered from even more obscure minerals and ores. Still, almost every vehicle on the road contains yttrium based materials that improve the fuel efficiency of the engine. Another important use of yttrium is in microwave communication devices. Yttrium- Iron-Garnets (YIG) are used as resonators in frequency meters, magnetic field measurement devices, tunable transistors and Gunn oscillators. Yttrium goes into laser crystals specific to spectral characteristics for high-performance communication systems.

Other Rare Earth Elements

Most of the remaining lanthanides fall into the group known as the "heavies" and include: Samarium, Gadolinium, Dysprosium, Terbium, Holmium, Erbium, Thulium, Ytterbium, and Lutetium.

Samarium has properties of spectral absorption that make it useful in filter glasses that surround neodymium laser rods.

Gadolinium offers unique magnetic behavior. Thus this element is at the heart of magneto-optic recording technology, and other technology used in handling computer data.

Dysprosium is a widely used rare earth element that helps to make electronic components smaller and faster.

Terbium is used in energy efficient fluorescent lamps. There are various terbium metal alloys that provide metallic films for magnetooptic data recording.

Holmium is exceedingly rare and expensive. Hence it has few commercial uses.

Erbium has remarkable optical properties that make it essential for use in long-range fiber optic data transmission.

Thulium is the rarest of the rare earth elements. Its chemistry is similar to that of Yttrium. Due to its unique photographic properties, Thulium is used in sensitive X-ray phosphors to reduce X-ray exposure.

Ytterbium resembles Yttrium in broad chemical behavior. When subject to high stresses, the electrical resistance of the metal increases by an order of magnitude. So ytterbium is used in stress gauges to monitor ground deformations caused, for example, by earthquakes or underground explosions.

Lutetium, the last member of the Lanthanide series is, along with thulium, the least abundant. It is recovered, by ion-exchange routines, in small quantities from yttrium-concentrates and is available as a high-purity oxide. Cerium-doped lutetium oxyorthosilicate (LSO) is currently used in detectors in positron emission tomography (PET).

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Can you imagine a world where the products that use these materials are severely restricted, or have high price tags on them?

Here is the rare earths chart if your interested:

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Having better access to rare earths via asteroids will help the US/Western manufacturing base to ensure a clean, green future with good human rights.


Point #2:

We are arguing the validity of space-based resources from...Well...A very terrestrial standpoint. The fact is, we simply do not fully comprehend what all is 'up there'. Have we discovered very possible periodic element in the universe? Is every resource in the galaxy found on Terra Firma? I don't believe so. Simply put, there is a galaxy to explore, full of materials we simply do not know about, or have such little quantity of, we cannot determine its usefulness. Heck, look at Helium 3. 500lbs exists on the Earth, but there are quadrillions of tons of the stuff in our solar system (Luna, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune have tons of the stuff). The current price on HE3 is in the billions of USD per ton. Not only is it rare, but it is incredibly useful - we may need it for fission reactions in the future, but currently, it is used in HE3 refrigerators which cause the coldest reaction in the known universe (down to fractions of a kelvin!). Could you imagine a world in which we have ample supply of HE3? Imagine the possibilities with reasonable supplies of the material! And that is without assuming that it may provide a near-unlimited source of energy for the earth, and reactor fuel for future VASMIR-type engines!
 
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