Would the two N1Fs have been successful?

tohaki · Jul 26, 2006

I have read that two improved N1Fs were being prepared for launch at the time the plug was pulled on the N1 programme. What are the indications on how they would have performed?

tohaki · Jul 26, 2006

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />Seriously, the N1 was the Russian Moon rocket. The only one that lit exploded. Big explosion.<hr /></blockquote>There were four failed launches of the N1.

nacnud · Jul 26, 2006

Four N1 were flown, one go to within one second of staging but the engine shut down sequence caused a cascading failure of the numerouse first stage engines. I think the problems with the N1 were known and could have been corrected. It is interesting to wonder what would have happened had the Soviets reached the Moon and set up a permainant base. Funding might have been given to fully realise space station freedom and the related luna programs.

qso1 · Jul 26, 2006

We'd have gotten a space station long before ISS went online. We'd probably have continued Apollo rather than cancel the last 3 missions. We might have eventually jointly operated with Russia on the moon. But who really knows, its all water under the bridge now. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

qso1 · Jul 27, 2006

The dates of the four attempted N-1 flights are below along with two very good links that cover the N-1 story well. February 21, 1969. July 3 1969. 27 June 1971. November 23 1972. http://www.fas.org/spp/eprint/lindroos_moon1.htm http://astronautix.com/articles/thestory.htm <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

qso1 · Jul 27, 2006

And an image I made a few years back which is of the 1972 N-1 failure. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

tohaki · Jul 27, 2006

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />I think the problems with the N1 were known and could have been corrected.<hr /></blockquote>As I understand it the N1F design was the result of such a process. I would be very interesting to read an indepth analysis of the new design and its chances of success.

subzero788 · Jul 27, 2006

"The dates of the four attempted N-1 flights are below along with two very good links that cover the N-1 story well. February 21, 1969. July 3 1969. 27 June 1971. November 23 1972." Interesting. I wasn't aware that the Russians were still trying to develope a moon rocket in the 1970's. Or was the N1 going to be used for another purpose at that time (space station launching, mars?).

nacnud · Jul 27, 2006

As far as I know the N1 was only ever tasked with carrying the L3 Luna vehcils, this is a good page for more info. http://www.russianspaceweb.com/n1.html

lbiderman · Jul 27, 2006

According to Astronautix, the N1F was supposed to have fixed all the flaws of the previous launches. They even had one build, but they cancelled the launch. The N1 was only supposed to support the soviet moon program, including their planned moon base. I would have been nice to see it fly. Perhaps that would have made the US continue with the Apollo Applications and its derivatives.

qso1 · Jul 27, 2006

I'm not certain what they had in mind for the N-1 after the moon race was over but IIRC, they did discuss stations and a lunar base. It would have been well suited to send components of a Mars craft to orbit as well. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

lampblack · Jul 27, 2006

I'd bet 'cha a dollar to a donut (if I had a dollar) that they had serious conversations about using it to heft large space station elements to low earth orbit. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Just tell the truth and let the chips fall... </div>

qso1 · Jul 27, 2006

Me too, especially since they knew by their second launch attempt that the moon race was over. Yet they launched twice more. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

qso1 · Jul 28, 2006

I'm not judging it on anything other than the historical record. Nor being smug about it. Just observing what might have been if the N-1 had been successful. In fact, I would rather have seen it succeed so we would have had incentive to at the very least, finish Apollo. And beyond that, maybe have a permanent space station by 1985. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

nyarlathotep · Jul 28, 2006

And beyond that, maybe have a permanent space station by 1985. We would have had a second skylab by 1975. Both the station and its required booster were already built.

qso1 · Jul 28, 2006

Originally, Skylab was to have been an interim station rather than a permanently manned one. That was the reason I mentioned another station and by 1985 as opposed to Skylab. But your quite right. Skylab II could have been a permanently manned station as well. And because it was already available, would have been easier to do than designing a new one. And it certainly could have been up by...well before 1985. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

qso1 · Jul 28, 2006

No doubt about that. But "Expensive" is what kills off such concepts. What I call "The cost barrier". The one barrier human spaceflight has yet to overcome and the one that must be overcome before other barriers can fall. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

tohaki · Jul 28, 2006

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />And an image I made a few years back which is of the 1972 N-1 failure.<hr /></blockquote>Very nice... <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

qso1 · Jul 28, 2006

Thanks, I appreciate that. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

j05h · Jul 28, 2006

That's a sweet graphic. What did you render and model it with? Looks like 3DStudio Max or Cinema4D. Josh <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center">We need a first generation of pioneers. </div> </div>

qso1 · Jul 29, 2006

Thanks. I used Lightwave 3D and Aura for my image as I do for all my 3D stuff. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

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