A challenge to mainstream science

[derekmcd]

Search... I know what frame dragging is and what it does as I am sure Saiph does, too. The big questions are (and I'm sure Nevyn would agree <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> )... How and Why? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

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Well some might not know. <br /><br />How and why: I have no clue either<br /><br />Note:<br />It seems however that the rotation of matter produces a gravitational magnetic field. <br /><br />Comparison:<br />"According to the best modern theory of physics (the so-called Standard Model), photons are responsible for producing all electric and magnetic fields, and are themselves the product of requiring that physical laws have a certain symmetry at every point in spacetime.<br /><br />My idea is just as photons are behind that, so may gravitons ,if they really exist, could be behind frame-dragging.<br /><br />Just a thought...

 

[newtonian]

nevyn - On your response to me on the law of conservation of matter and energy, and discovered laws in general:<br /><br />First, I accept certain things others who post here reject -e.g. Biblical astonomy (cosmology) models. And I reject certain things others who post here accept - e.g. our universe is and has always been a closed system thermodynamically.<br /><br />Since we all post here, that makes this forum a varied place - which is better for science than being narrow minded and limited to standard or popular models and theories.<br /><br />However, I tend to have more of an open mind then some to variant models and theories<br /><br />Now, on the creation of energy - the Biblical model, specifically in Isaiah 40:26, links the existence of stars to Gods power (Hebrew Koach) and dynamic energy (Hebrew ohnim - plural)- and note that this dynamic energy is in the plural.<br /><br />Note that this, therefore, does not indicate that only the forms of energy and matter we have directly observed are all that has ever existed.<br /><br />Rather, plural forms of energy were involved in the creation of matter.<br /><br />It should be expected that we have not yet discovered all of these plural forms of energy (or plural forms of matter, for that matter!).<br /><br />Take, for example, the expansion of our universe. The Biblical model has God stretching out our universe like a fine gauze (at Is.40:22). Link this with observation, which you accurately note is so important for determining the truth, and we may have dark energy.<br /><br />This possibility harmonizes both with the Biblical model and the law of conservation of matter and energy.<br /><br />What I would like to know is exactly how the energy driving universal expansion propagates and reacts with matter to produce acceleration - or if, in fact, it is not accelerating matter but rather simply stetching out the gauzelike fabric of space (compare the space-time fabric.)<br /><br />On gravity - well, dark energy may already overcom

 

[derekmcd]

Detecting gravitational waves and ultimately gravitons would certainly answer alot of the 'hows' and 'whys'. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[vandivx]

IMO this is getting over the top, this talk of bible and even citing/referencing it, this forum is not place for such mysticism, it is scientific forum first and formost and I am sure I am not the only one who finds such talk boring<br /><br />vanDivX <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

You most assuredly are not. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[kyle_baron]

<i><br />IMO this is getting over the top, this talk of bible and even citing/referencing it, this forum is not place for such mysticism...</i><br /><br />The Bible as mysticism? I think NOT! Even Brian Greene, in his second book "The Fabric of the Cosmos" infers that space is a structure of threads, where one thread is one dimension, and the one next to it is another dimension! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font size="4"><strong></strong></font></p> </div>

 

[vandivx]

<"Brian Greene, in his second book "The Fabric of the Cosmos" infers that space is a structure of threads, where one thread is one dimension, and the one next to it is another dimension!"><br /><br />I love reading science books especially physics books written for laymen but I don't read Greene's books at all, just their titles and covers put me off especially some of them and peeping in just confirms my suspicion that it is all ladden with mysticism, at least in parts<br /><br />once you start talking about strings and extra dimensions and perhaps of other universes or wormholes etc, I yawn and loose interest, for me that's just bad fantasy<br /><br />I suppose you in turn find real physics boring or at least unexciting or uninteresting, people like to dream fantasies and that includes many so called scientists these days, that is scifi fans who got degree<br /><br />to be sure extra dimensions are ok in mathematics, that's part of valid mathematical methods but it is totally wrong to extend that idea to the physical picture of reality<br /><br /> vanDivX <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[newtonian]

kyle_baron - I'm glad I am not alone on this forum in believing the Bible has scientifically accurate input worthy of consideration on science forums.<br /><br />Indeed, the Bible is not mysticism - I agree 100%.<br /><br />Isaac Newton, a very good scientist who gave very good input into science, wrote more on Biblical research than on sceintific research. Hence my user name.<br /><br />The Biblical model of heaven stretching out like a fine gauze is excellent and way ahead of scientific discovery.<br /><br />The very latest computer simulations based on the very latest scientific data confirm this is precisely how our universe is expanding.<br /><br />The simulations do indeed look like a fine gauze and do contain threads and filaments.<br /><br />Now, on other dimensions - I was not actually alluding to that in my post, but Isaiah 40:22 also relates to that question and current active field of research by astonomers, astrophysicists and theoretical astrophysicists.<br /><br />Would you like me to post on that tangent/thread/brane? <br /><br />BTW - there are some Biblical statements that are challenged by mainstream science {= some popular scientific models in mainstream science which are challenged by Biblical astronomy, etc.).<br /><br />[I am NOT referring to the creation/evolution debate, btw. - much more specific than that: hint (e.g.): did some stars achieve escape velocity from the gravity and light of our universe?]