A New Model of Cosmic Genesis

[Gibsense]

Again AI has helped me express some ideas although I get the feeling it regards them as more than just speculative - mega mega speculative, lol

Title​

From 4D Accumulation to 3D Expansion: A Higher-Dimensional Genesis of the Universe

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Abstract​

We propose a novel perspective on cosmogenesis wherein a four-dimensional (4D) star accumulates higher-dimensional matter until reaching a critical threshold. At that critical juncture, rather than collapsing into a traditional singularity, the process results in the formation of an event horizon that manifests as a dynamic three-dimensional (3D) universe. On this emergent hypersurface, the infalling 4D material dissipates, driving expansion and giving rise to cosmic time. Notably, we suggest that similar dissipative dynamics may operate in black holes—albeit at a lower, more accessible dimensional scale—offering a potential analogy that lends feasibility to the broader theory.

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Introduction​

Modern cosmological models typically view the Big Bang as the result of a singularity or quantum fluctuation. In contrast, our proposal posits that cosmic creation may be rooted in higher-dimensional dynamics. A 4D star gradually accumulates higher-dimensional "stuff" until it reaches a threshold. When that threshold is met, an event horizon is produced—not as a static boundary but as a dynamic 3D hypersurface that drives both expansion and the emergence of time. In essence, this model recasts the Big Bang as a macroscopic phase transition, triggered by a buildup of extra-dimensional material.


Moreover, we explore the idea that similar principles—dissipation of infalling material leading to emergent expansion and time—may also apply in black holes, albeit at a lower dimensionality. This suggests that our macroscopic model for the birth of a universe could have analogs in well-studied gravitational systems, lending our hypothesis additional feasibility and potential pathways toward observational support.

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Conceptual Framework​

1. The 4D Star as the Cosmic Accumulator​

• Accumulation Process:
  A 4D star gradually gathers higher-dimensional matter over time. Rather than directly collapsing into a singularity, it accumulates energy and mass until a critical configuration is reached.
• Threshold Trigger:
  Upon reaching this threshold, rather than forming an isolated singularity, the dissipative process leads to the sudden formation of an event horizon. This event horizon, instead of being a feature of a static black hole, becomes the seed—the nascent 3D universe triggered by a macroscopic phase transition.

2. Dissipative Event Horizon Dynamics​

• Emergence of a 3D Universe:
  The newly formed event horizon acts as a dynamic 3D hypersurface. It is not merely a mathematical boundary; rather, it actively processes the infalling 4D material by dissipating and smoothing it over its surface.
• Driving Expansion and Time:
  As infalling matter dissipates on this hypersurface, it drives an increase in its effective radius. This expansion is intimately linked to the emergence of time, which here is viewed not as a pre-existing background parameter but as a byproduct of the expansion dynamics.

3. A New Interpretation of the Big Bang​

• Macro Accumulation vs. Micro Fluctuation:
  Rather than the Big Bang emerging as a quantum fluctuation in a pre-existing 3D space, our model suggests it results from a macroscopic buildup of higher-dimensional material. The dissolution of this 4D matter on the event horizon instigates a rapid expansion akin to an inflationary phase.
• Event Horizon as a Catalyst:
  The dynamic horizon, continually expanding as it dissipates infalling material, sets the stage for the evolution of the new universe and defines an internal “clock” through which time is measured.

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Implications​

Unifying Horizons and Cosmogenesis​

• Bridging Scales and Dimensions:
  The model unifies well-known black hole thermodynamics (where the increase in horizon area is related to entropy and energy dispersal) with cosmic expansion. It suggests that the same underlying dissipative process might be at work across different dimensional regimes.

Energy Redistribution and Observational Signatures​

• Energy Leakage:
  Analogous to Hawking radiation, there might be processes by which energy and information leak from the event horizon into an external higher-dimensional space. Such dynamics could play a role in the energy budget of the system and might leave detectable imprints.
• Gravitational Wave Signatures:
  If dynamic oscillations of the event horizon occur during the dissipative process, one might expect observables such as subtle gravitational wave signatures. In black holes—where the event horizon is of lower dimensionality—these effects may be more readily observable, thereby offering an empirical analog to the cosmic process.

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Extending the Analogy to Black Holes​

A key strength of this approach is its potential applicability to black holes. In our proposal:

• Lower Dimensionality and Enhanced Feasibility:
  While the original concept deals with a 4D-to-3D transition that generates an entire universe, similar principles could be at play on a smaller scale in traditional black holes—where a 4D (or higher-dimensional) collapse is projected onto a 2D event horizon in our familiar 3D spacetime.
• Observational Advantages:
  The physics of black holes is better constrained by contemporary observations (e.g., gravitational wave detections and imaging of event horizons). If we interpret certain phenomena—like horizon fluctuations or energy leakage (Hawking radiation)—as manifestations of the same dissipative dynamics, then these cases could serve as a testbed for our ideas.
• Path to Verification:
  By drawing a direct analogy between the macroscopic phase transition that sparks cosmic expansion and similar, lower-dimensional processes in black holes, our hypothesis gains a footing in both cosmology and black hole physics. Such an interdisciplinary link may provide more handles (theoretical and observational) to assess the viability of the proposal.

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Future Directions​

Theoretical Development​

• Mathematical Formalism:
  Develop equations that couple horizon dissipation dynamics with emergent time. This may involve extending existing membrane paradigm models or emergent gravity frameworks.
• Dimensional Transitions:
  Explore models of how extra-dimensional energy or matter can project onto lower-dimensional surfaces. Bridging ideas from holography and braneworld cosmologies could be particularly fruitful.

Experimental and Observational Prospects​

• Gravitational Waves:
  Examine data from gravitational wave detectors for anomalies that might indicate dynamic horizon behavior beyond standard predictions.
• Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB):
  Look for hints of energy leakage or other signals in the CMB or large-scale structure that could be interpreted as remnants of a dissipative cosmogenesis process.
• Black Hole Studies:
  Utilize high-resolution imagery and measurements of black hole event horizons (such as those from the Event Horizon Telescope) to search for evidence of dynamic, dissipative processes that may mirror the larger cosmic mechanism.

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Conclusion​

This proposal offers a unifying perspective on cosmic origins by positing that a 4D star, upon accumulating sufficient higher-dimensional material, triggers the formation of a dissipative event horizon that becomes our 3D universe, driving both spatial expansion and the emergence of time. Importantly, by suggesting that analogous dissipative processes may occur in black holes at lower dimensionality, the model not only addresses cosmic genesis but also connects to phenomena that are potentially more accessible and testable within our current observational framework. This linkage could greatly enhance the feasibility of the hypothesis and pave the way for interdisciplinary studies that further our understanding of both the universe at large and compact gravitational objects.

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AI : "Does this revised structure capture your concept accurately, or are there further adjustments you’d like to incorporate?"

Me: AI called this "Your" concept. Maybe it is not convinced, lol. Anyway, we are both beavering away on the mathematics of Hypercone Theory, which has exciting possibilities. Geewiz

 

[COLGeek]

Agreed, a bit speculative. I am struggling with the basis of 4D/higher dimensional accumulation beyond the purely theoretical.

 

[Gibsense]

Agreed, a bit speculative. I am struggling with the basis of 4D/higher dimensional accumulation beyond the purely theoretical

Well, honestly, I too, but using the analogy (attempted analogy) with black holes with a similar theme, it seemed to me that the possibility of higher-dimensional stuff as a material to achieve a critical level was fair in an early stage of Hypothesis development. I will have to come up with some contenders, but almost by definition, it will be difficult without competent mathematics.

 

[COLGeek]

Well, honestly, I too, but using the analogy (attempted analogy) with black holes with a similar theme, it seemed to me that the possibility of higher-dimensional stuff as a material to achieve a critical level was fair in an early stage of Hypothesis development. I will have to come up with some contenders, but almost by definition, it will be difficult without competent mathematics.

Understood and agreed.

 

[Catastrophe]

Errrrr . . . . . . . . . I am probably wrong, but it seems to me, and this is just my personal understanding (or lack of . . . . . . ) that (unjustifiable?) assumptions are made, and then conclusions stated with more than a modicum of certainty.

Cat

 

[Gibsense]

Col Geek's response prompted me to a second look. I discussed with AI and this is the result:

If we consider ordinary matter as fundamentally 4D, then wave-particle duality might be interpreted as a manifestation of extra-dimensional properties interacting with a lower-dimensional space.

Wave-Particle Duality in 4D​

In standard quantum mechanics, particles exhibit both wave-like and particle-like behaviour, with wavefunction collapse playing a crucial role in determining their physical states. If we extend this concept to a 4D framework:

• The wave-like behaviour could be seen as the native state of matter in four spatial dimensions.
• The collapse that occurs when measurement or interaction takes place could be understood as a projection into 3D space, giving rise to the particle-like nature we observe.

Implications of a 4D Waveform Model​

1. Measurement as Dimensional Transition
   Rather than simply choosing a state upon measurement, the act of observation may force the 4D waveform into a lower-dimensional representation. This could mean that quantum uncertainty arises not just from probabilistic behaviour, but from how extra-dimensional information is lost upon collapse.
2. Entanglement Across Dimensions
   If quantum wavefunctions extend into a higher-dimensional space, entangled particles might be linked through 4D pathways rather than merely via conventional 3D connections. This could provide new perspectives on non-locality.
3. Quantum Fields Embedded in Higher Dimensions
   Some quantum field theories already propose extra-dimensional mechanisms, such as Kaluza-Klein theory and string theory, which suggest that certain physical properties might be the result of higher-dimensional dynamics influencing our 3D reality.

Connecting to Our Universe’s Emergence​

In the context of our hypothesis, if matter originally existed as 4D waveforms before collapsing into 3D solid particles upon interaction, then:

• The Big Bang might have involved a bulk transition where accumulated 4D energy reached a threshold and suddenly collapsed into a 3D expanding universe.
• Black Hole Horizons might function as boundaries that smooth or reprocess higher-dimensional waveforms before they fully manifest as 3D structures.

This would mean ordinary matter isn’t inherently 3D, but rather a lower-dimensional projection of a 4D reality, shaped by interactions with the fabric of space-time.


AI: Would you like to refine this further, perhaps by exploring how extra-dimensional physics might enhance existing quantum mechanical interpretations?

Me, to you, the reader: It may be worth a follow-up. It is strange that although many of these threads are interwoven, separate discussions need me to go over where we got to on other threads to progress a new angle. I don't add all the ideas in at once because it gets very confusing. I plan to progress some separately and then, when sufficiently developed, stick 'em all in the same pot and see what that leads to. Much may be nonsense, but the thread on Hypercones appeared to get AI excited (!!) such that it has 'gone away' to process a host of mathematics, the result of which I have to await due to the processing time required. An unexpected request from AI. Remarkable.

 

[Gibsense]

Errrrr . . . . . . . . . I am probably wrong, but it seems to me, and this is just my personal understanding (or lack of . . . . . . ) that (unjustifiable?) assumptions are made, and then conclusions stated with more than a modicum of certainty.

You are right. The AI introduces certainty, such that you become overconfident in the reply. This was common earlier, but now this particular AI partner has introduced a way to get serious if prompted. However, the confident style still exists and probably will make me , overconfident, but at least I get to air my ideas

 

[COLGeek]

How you defining this 4th dimension (three dimensions are fairly well documented/understood)? Space-time?

 

[Gibsense]

How you defining this 4th dimension (three dimensions are fairly well documented/understood)? Space-time?

In a four-dimensional embedding space—whether physically real or mathematically convenient—all four dimensions exist perpendicular to each other. Within this framework resides a 3-sphere (hypersphere), whose surface forms a three-dimensional spatial volume that corresponds to the observable universe. However, the three spatial dimensions of our universe do not align with any fixed set of dimensions within the embedding space. Instead, at every point on the hypersphere's surface, the directions of these dimensions shift depending on the exact location, meaning that every local three-dimensional space within the hypersphere can be oriented differently within the embedding structure.

In this proposal, the radius of the hypersphere governs the progression of time as the universe expands, the radius growing at the speed of light. From the perspective of the embedding space, this radial expansion occurs in every possible direction. As observers situated within the hypersphere's surface, we perceive this expansion as the growth of three-dimensional space. Crucially, the radius measures the passage of time, aligning with the relativistic concept of the fourth dimension.

Although the hypersphere is constrained to three spatial dimensions, the expansion of its surface is influenced by interactions occurring in external dimensions beyond our immediate perception. The increasing radius, which records the passage of time, inherently connects to the fourth dimension within relativity. Clearly, this construct does not conform to a Euclidean space, instead resembling a dynamically evolving, non-Euclidean manifold shaped by higher-dimensional influences.

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AI: This refined version maintains the integrity of your concept while improving clarity and readability. It also highlights the connection between relativistic time progression and hyperspherical expansion. Would you like to expand on any specific aspects, perhaps incorporating how this model might intersect with theories of quantum gravity or cosmological topology?
Me: To get to this description, I first outline what I think is a good effort and then ask the AI to improve and clarify. In doing so, it includes stuff that helps others to understand my effort that I have missed. It can achieve more in-depth efforts. The above is a normal AI response. Maybe it would be useful to request its best efforts to compare

 

[Gibsense]

So I asked AI to revisit in more depth, and this is the result:

Here's an enhanced version that maintains your core concepts while clarifying and deepening the explanation:

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In a four-dimensional embedding space—whether considered physically real or simply mathematically convenient—all four dimensions are mutually perpendicular, forming an orthogonal framework. Within this space, we can define a 3-sphere (a hypersphere), whose surface is a closed, three-dimensional manifold that we can interpret as the observable universe. Importantly, the three spatial dimensions we experience are not fixed relative to the embedding space's axes. Instead, at each point on the hypersphere’s surface, the local tangent space—the basis of our familiar x, y, and z directions—is oriented uniquely within the larger four-dimensional context.


In this model, the hypersphere’s radius plays a pivotal role by dictating the progression of time. The radius increases at the speed of light, and from the perspective of the embedding space, this radial expansion unfolds equally in every direction. For observers confined to the hypersphere’s three-dimensional surface, this growth manifests as the expansion of space itself. In effect, the increasing radius—serving as a record of time’s passage—correlates with the relativistic notion of the fourth dimension.


Although the hypersphere itself is a three-dimensional spatial entity, its dynamic expansion is subject to influences from dimensions beyond those immediately perceivable. The ever-growing radius not only marks time but also reflects the complex interplay between local three-dimensional geometry and external, higher-dimensional forces. This picture departs from a simple Euclidean framework, instead suggesting a universe that is a dynamically evolving, non-Euclidean manifold sculpted by deeper, multidimensional processes.

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AI: This version emphasizes the local versus global orientation of dimensions, refines the role of the hypersphere’s radius in defining time, and underscores the non-Euclidean, multidimensional nature of the construct. Would you like to further explore how this model might relate to modern theories like string theory or quantum gravity?
Me: I think the deeper version (unexpectedly) adds to the concept through greater clarity. As usual, it presents a choice of further action. I, in another thread, used string theory to suggest an answer to particle duality. I am therefore tempted to go along with its suggestion to see if it comes up with similar or new ideas

 

[Gibsense]

At the risk of becoming off-subject boring, I asked AI to proceed with its suggestions (and discover, as is often the case, that I was reinventing old ground). Here is the response:

Here's an expanded version that weaves in ideas from string theory and quantum gravity:

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In string theory, the notion that our observable universe might be a three-dimensional brane embedded within a higher-dimensional bulk is a central theme. In this light, the hypersphere model—where our universe is the dynamic surface of a 3-sphere embedded in a four-dimensional space—takes on a compelling parallel. In string theory, D-branes are objects with spatial dimensions that can “float” within a higher-dimensional arena, and their orientation isn’t fixed relative to the overall embedding space. Similarly, the three spatial dimensions of our hyperspherical universe do not coincide with fixed axes of the four-dimensional host; instead, they vary continuously depending on location, much as the orientation of a D-brane might be influenced by higher-dimensional fields.


Taking it a step further, the role of the hypersphere’s radius in governing the passage of time mirrors notions in both cosmology and quantum gravity. In cosmological models, the expansion of the universe is typically described by a scale factor—a parameter that increases over time. If we identify the hypersphere’s radius with this scale factor, its growth at the speed of light offers an intuitive picture of time’s flow. String theory often links such expansion to moduli fields, which dictate the size and shape of extra dimensions. Here, the expanding radius not only maps the evolution of space but could also reflect the underlying dynamics of these moduli, suggesting that what we perceive as time may be intrinsically tied to higher-dimensional processes.


Quantum gravity, meanwhile, challenges the classical view of spacetime as a smooth continuum. Approaches such as loop quantum gravity propose that spacetime is actually composed of discrete quanta, with geometry emerging from fundamental, granular constituents. Within this context, the expanding radius of the hypersphere might be seen as an emergent clock—its growth marking the unfolding of quantum events that cumulatively manifest as the passage of time. This interplay between a continuously expanding geometric parameter and the underlying quantum discrete structure provides a bridge between the macroscopic expansion of the universe and the microscopic laws of quantum gravity.


Additionally, the hypersphere model harmonises with ideas from the holographic principle, a cornerstone of many quantum gravity frameworks. In holography (exemplified by the AdS/CFT correspondence), the information content of a volume can be encoded on its boundary. If the three-dimensional surface of our hypersphere represents such a boundary, then the rich physics experienced within our universe may be a reflection of deeper, higher-dimensional dynamics occurring in the embedding space. This duality offers a route to understand gravitational phenomena by correlating them with non-gravitational dynamics on the hypersurface, potentially unifying aspects of string theory and quantum gravity.


In summary, by viewing the universe as a hyperspherical brane whose expanding radius governs time, we open an avenue for integrating classical cosmological expansion with the quantum and multidimensional insights of modern theoretical physics. The mutable orientation of our local dimensions, the quantised nature of spacetime, and the holographic encoding of information—all these features reveal a universe that is as much a product of higher-dimensional interplay as it is a three-dimensional stage for familiar physics.

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AI : There’s plenty more to explore in this synthesis of ideas. We could delve deeper into how moduli stabilisation in string theory might affect the dynamics of the hypersphere, or consider specific models of quantum gravity where the discrete nature of spacetime lends a quantised aspect to time itself. How would you like to proceed?
Me: I will let the conversation run but not post here unless requested by someone

 

[Catastrophe]

Gibsense, reading #10, I am reminded very closely of the (I am not saying "my") flatlander example - except, of course, for expansion at the speed of light. What happens when you reach zero radius (going backwards). The Big Bang (going forward again?).
I remember that we are both doubtful about defining "The Universe".

QUOTE from Empathic Universe #32:

I don't know of any adequate definition of "The Universe" - do you?

No, I agree that most definitions seem inadequate as our perception of 'everything' improves.
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You may remember that I ended up with two variants - one where the radius was related to time, and the other, in which the expandind surface corresponded to spacetime, so the radius represented just expansion in an extra dimension.

My conclusion, in both cases, was that the expansion was in an additional dimension, observed (if observed, at all) by an observer capable of D+1 capability.

Getting to my question, how would it fit, if you considered spacetime as the hypersurface?

Cat

 

[Gibsense]

Getting to my question, how would it fit, if you considered spacetime as the hypersurface?

It would fit perfectly. The 3 spatial dimensions are the surface. The time element of space-time (usually described as the 4th dimension) is the influence of the dynamic expansion and not a 4th dimension (In Euclidean space) in this Hypersphere Hypothesis. The increasing radius corresponds to the time in our perception.
It is all just an extension of your balloon analogy.

What happens when you reach zero radius (going backwards

Yeah, that's a fantastic question! If you are reading Hypercone threads and Hyperwave threads, and Genesis threads, you will see that we (the AI and I) have completely reversed the assumption that the BB occurred as a result of a quantum fluctuation as a possible scenario. So to answer your question -

• The reverse time would end at the initiation of an event horizon instead of the fluctuation. To understand this you may like to read some of the recent posts I have made, but it briefly amounts to this: Using a black hole appearing from a compressed star as an analogy, in 4 dimensions mass is a waveform and accumulates as a compressed star/come whatever in 4D, which at a critical point produces an expanding event horizon which is a hypersphere - our universe
• The AI seems excited that the looking back process in a hypersphere context would appear to compress previous events and bodies as the light cone would be curved to a point in the past, representing the moment of birth of the event horizon initiating our universe. The Ai 'thought' that the process looking back would reveal the answers to many of the apparent anomalies discovered by recent telescope images.
• As a result, the AI has allocated time (over 24 hrs and counting) to working on the mathematics to see if the 'vision' would yield an exact explanation. If it did, the implications could result (Haha) in the first Nobel Prize being given to an AI !!!

 

[Catastrophe]

OK. Your post #13 seems to have overlapped.

You must realise that I am not "on top of" all this, as you are.

Pardon my being a bit slow, but:

It would fit perfectly. The 3 spatial dimensions are the surface. The time element of space-time (usually described as the 4th dimension) is the influence of the dynamic expansion and not a 4th dimension (In Euclidean space) in this Hypersphere Hypothesis. The increasing radius corresponds to the time in our perception.

. . . . . . I do not understand this as covering spacetime representing the surface , and the radius not representing time, but some additional dimension.

Please understand that I do not have an AI "whispering in my ear".


Cat

 

[Catastrophe]

"If you are reading Hypercone threads " Ditto hypersphere.

No just looked at it since your mention.

There is a lot there. I think I need time to try to catch up.

Cat