BRI 1335-0417? Among Others?

[Atlan0001]

Just read about the discovery of the well formed spiral galaxy BRI 1335-0417, 12.4 billion light years away. Supposedly already formed just 1.4 billion light years -- 1.4 billion years -- from the Big Bang horizon.

Does the universe have latitudinal space-like lines to go with the longitude-like timeline that goes away from us? If you took a sheet of lined paper, all lines being equal in distance from the next line, the next latitude, and partially turned it edge on to you, bent more to one end (all the way to far more bent) the lines would appear to lose all their equality of distance from adjoining lines. The lines would appear to be tightly together at one end of the sheet, while accelerating in expansion of inequality, of apartness, of lines in the lesser bend toward you; similar to you being on the equator of a globe essentially looking away north and south to lines of latitude that are in fact all equal in separation, but in fact appear nothing of the kind, squeezing closer and ever closer together the farther away they are from you (the farther away they are from Earth), latitude-like lines and longitude-like lines to finally come together (seemingly to finally crush together) at far distant poles (points) of a horizon. The lines of latitude and longitude appearing to open up, to accelerate in expansion apart, this way they come toward the equator.

But those lines of space-like latitude could very well be equal distant between adjoining lines of latitude all the way through infinity, only the infinity of latitudinal lines will seem to merge and disappear into one line, then one point, collapsing to such in a far horizon.

The denizens of spiral galaxy BRI 1335-0417 might have observed the horizon to be about 14 billion light years (about 14 billion years) away from them, rather than the 1.4 billion light years away (1.4 billion years away) we observe the case to be. Their universe may have been, might still be, far more like ours here and now than we can detect through the apparent [to us] squeeze of latitude and longitude toward the distant horizon.

That [apparentness] may have more developed physical properties (much more development of intervening physicality) to it over 12.4 billion light years (12.4 billion years) than just looks; as more particularly the horizon itself beyond it [from here and now] at nearly 14 billion light years (14 billion years) from [here and now]. You've heard the saying, "what you see may not be what you get." Well, the universe there we observe from here and now may not at all have been the local, relative, universe of the denizens of BRI 1335-0417 there and then.

 

[Atlan0001]

A scenario for a certain clarification:

In my post above someone might see it as my describing the picture itself as fixed except for the bending of space thus contracting time into the bargain. It is more complex than that, remembering vortex and curvature.

Using once more my mind's eye universe traveler I will again have him and his crew travel, beginning that travel toward where astronomy on Earth places BRI 1335-0417 in the universe as if he knew no better (which, of, course, he doesn't.

His vessel travels under its constant of self-propulsive powering through space -- under it constant of acceleration through space (planned: 12.4 billion x 6 trillion miles) and up through time (planned: from (-)12.4 billion years) toward '0-point' there, then (future)), at start from Earth ('0'-point).

Upon his leaving the Milky Way, the first thing he notices is that BRI 1335-0417 won't hold still for his navigational bulls-eye-straight travel to it. The damn thing insists on moving across the field of the universe he is traveling through intergalactically. And he must turn somewhat in his travel to keep on a heading for it. Not only is it shifting position in space on him, it is also updating itself in its evolution as he time travels toward it.

Not only that, the Milky Way behind him is also beginning to shift its position in space, refusing to hold still. And it is doing the reverse of BRI 1335-0417 regarding the traveler's time travel. Instead of updating itself in its evolution, as he travels away from it, it is backdating in its evolution.

The faster he travels, the faster becomes the positional shifts, the faster becomes the evolutions and de-evolutions in time, and the harder it becomes for him to stay on course as the gravity of the infinite Universe tries to pull him out sideways into some other universe. He is traveling faster and ever faster into a vortex of curvature; traveling faster and ever faster into a 'turn' (into a 'verse'). He keeps having to shutdown his powering drive to halt that damn gravitational pull out sideways from his heading, fix his navigation, and restart on his way.

When he finally does arrive at what might be his destination he knows he can't be certain of anything (a principle of uncertainty has beaten the hell out of him and his navigation). BRI 1335-0417 has had a lot run ins with other objects over a span of 12.4 billion years and changed quite a lot, during the months(!) of his travel to it (according to his real time universal moment universally accurate onboard clock). Worse, he has totally lost the Milky Way behind him, not only in position in space, but from his position now in the universe, the Milky Way has receded in time to a point 1.4 billion years from the collapsed horizon of the universe (that horizon being about 14 billion light years -- about 14 billion years -- from him (having kept its eternal constant of distant horizon). As he and BRI 1335-0417, if that's where in the universe he ended up, went from (-)12.4 billion years in time to 0-point "now" (a distance forward in time of (+)12.4 billion years in his months(!) of time travel), so the Milky Way not only got sucked into the vortex of spatial curvature as far as he, the traveler, is concerned, it's somewhere 12.4 billion light years ((-)12.4 billion years) from him.... MAYBE! Because there is nothing he can be certain of, he may have traveled 10.4 billion light years ((+)10.4b years), or 14.4 billion light years ((+)14.4b years), during his months(!) of voyage, rather than 12.4 billion light years ((+)12.4b years). One thing he is pretty sure of, it's not the same universe because his chances of finding his way back home are now one in infinity (of possible points in the distant englobing horizon).

All the traveler knows is what he knew to begin with -- being a rather smart man-- that the universe was going to "pull a fast one" on him (as the saying goes). Remember from post #1, the last part concerning "apparentness" and "development of intervening physicality".

 

[Vincent Peri]

I read the article. It says the galaxy is 15,000 light years in size, or about 1/3 the size of the Milky Way. It might be news to some, but the Milky Way is anywhere from 100,000 to 200,000 light years across, NOT about 50,000 light years across.

Who writes these articles?

 

[Atlan0001]

I read the article. It says the galaxy is 15,000 light years in size, or about 1/3 the size of the Milky Way. It might be news to some, but the Milky Way is anywhere from 100,000 to 200,000 light years across, NOT about 50,000 light years across.

Who writes these articles?

You'd be right if you are talking diameter, which you most probably are. But if he is talking thickness then it sounds about right.

Speaking of that thickness, I read that the Milky Way is far and away the heavy weight between it and Andromeda, though Andromeda is supposed to be as about twice the Milky Way's diameter. I'd always thought before that when they finally collide It would be a newer and meaner Andromeda that would come out of the collision. It now looks like it will be a newer and meaner Milky Way with droplets (so to speak) of Andromeda here and there left over.

BRI 1335-0417 may not even exist any more from such a possible similar collision (or collisions, plural, given the time). Or it may be a cumulative giant now. Or, as I added in post #2, it may be somewhere closer to us, or may not even be radially in our observable universe any longer. It might be beyond the most distant horizon of it now, putting it outside our finitely straight-line light-time measured universe and inside some other bubble universe overlapping and just offset from ours.... maybe. Forum member Rod has repeatedly said our universe is much bigger than it looks from here to its horizons. To me, that means overlapping offset bubble universes going away to infinity in every direction there is of our otherwise -- measured, horizoned -- enclosure.