Dark Matter - It is not dark matter

[Gary_Peck]

If the universe is expanding just like stretching a rubber band then everything should be accelerating outwards just like a bubble getting bigger. How is it these 2 objects of such sheer size collide with each other? Galaxies must  be having an affect on each other and pulling them in all directions. I think all this stuff about everything expanding is wrong. I think galaxies are going around in circles just like planets going around a Sun. How can we measure things properly. We need to know where we are to make proper assumptions. Imagine a galaxy going in a orbit, it will seem like it is traveling in a straight line, yet is it possible it is travelling in a arc. It would take thousands of years to take correct measurements. Look at the evidence everything is going around in circles. It is impossible to travel in a straight line. Everything is moving in a circle. If this ring of what they call dark matter is the left overs of a collision between 2 galaxy clusters. How is it they collided? I bet this is not the only collision.

 

[Gary_Peck]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>To have multiple images of a distant galaxy all you need is a source of gravity directly in between the distant galaxy and the observer. This is known as a gravitational lens.I am afraid I don't understand what you are trying to say with your TV analogy.&nbsp; <br />Posted by SpeedFreek</DIV><br /><br />How come there are only 5 images. They should be continually joined and strecthed. There has to be pockets of gravity&nbsp;bending some&nbsp;of light and other pockets of gravity causing streaking & distortion.&nbsp; Try putting a lens in front of a object. now place several lenses around the lens at unequal distances. </p><p>I know I am guessing but is it possible this is happening.</p>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How come there are only 5 images. They should be continually joined and strecthed. There has to be pockets of gravity&nbsp;bending some&nbsp;of light and other pockets of gravity causing streaking & distortion.&nbsp; Try putting a lens in front of a object. now place several lenses around the lens at unequal distances. I know I am guessing but is it possible this is happening. <br />Posted by Gary_Peck</DIV><br /><br />Indeed you are guessing. Please look up the term "Gravitaional Lensing" for an understanding of the subject. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[michaelmozina]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If the universe is expanding just like stretching a rubber band then everything should be accelerating outwards just like a bubble getting bigger. How is it these 2 objects of such sheer size collide with each other? Galaxies must&nbsp; be having an affect on each other and pulling them in all directions. I think all this stuff about everything expanding is wrong. I think galaxies are going around in circles just like planets going around a Sun.</DIV></p><p>Are you suggesting they circle each other, or something else? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>

 

[UFmbutler]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If the universe is expanding just like stretching a rubber band then everything should be accelerating outwards just like a bubble getting bigger. How is it these 2 objects of such sheer size collide with each other? Galaxies must&nbsp; be having an affect on each other and pulling them in all directions. I think all this stuff about everything expanding is wrong. I think galaxies are going around in circles just like planets going around a Sun. How can we measure things properly. We need to know where we are to make proper assumptions. Imagine a galaxy going in a orbit, it will seem like it is traveling in a straight line, yet is it possible it is travelling in a arc. It would take thousands of years to take correct measurements. Look at the evidence everything is going around in circles. It is impossible to travel in a straight line. Everything is moving in a circle. If this ring of what they call dark matter is the left overs of a collision between 2 galaxy clusters. How is it they collided? I bet this is not the only collision.</DIV> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I just proved your argument wrong by walking in a straight line to my medicine cabinet to go get some aspirin after reading your posts.&nbsp; Local motion means nothing if the cluster/supercluster AS A WHOLE is moving away.&nbsp; If you walk around in an airplane you are still travelling toward your destination, even if you walk to the back of the plane. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[origin]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> How is it these 2 objects of such sheer size collide with each other? Galaxies must&nbsp; be having an affect on each other and pulling them in all directions. I think all this stuff about everything expanding is wrong. I think galaxies are going around in circles just like planets going around a Sun. How can we measure things properly. We need to know where we are to make proper assumptions. Imagine a galaxy going in a orbit, it will seem like it is traveling in a straight line, yet is it possible it is travelling in a arc. It would take thousands of years to take correct measurements. Look at the evidence everything is going around in circles. It is impossible to travel in a straight line. Everything is moving in a circle. If this ring of what they call dark matter is the left overs of a collision between 2 galaxy clusters. How is it they collided? I bet this is not the only collision. <br />Posted by Gary_Peck</DIV><br /><br />Instead of just speculating why don't you do some simple research.&nbsp; Go to google and type in:&nbsp;big bang, expanding space, and colliding galaxies.&nbsp; You would then at least know what the current theories are and you could ask some reasonable questions.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[SpeedFreek]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>How come there are only 5 images. They should be continually joined and strecthed. There has to be pockets of gravity&nbsp;bending some&nbsp;of light and other pockets of gravity causing streaking & distortion.&nbsp; Try putting a lens in front of a object. now place several lenses around the lens at unequal distances. I know I am guessing but is it possible this is happening. <br /> Posted by Gary_Peck</DIV></p><p>If the source of gravity is exactly in front of the distant object, the light from that object is actually bent into an apparent "ring" around the gravity source.. If the source of gravity is ever so slightly offset, the ring breaks apart into multiple images.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000">_______________________________________________<br /></font><font size="2"><em>SpeedFreek</em></font> </p> </div>