Fission versus Fusion: 101

[drwayne]

There has been a lot of work in this area for quite a while now. It is interesting, as it bridges astrophysics and high energy physics disciplines. (Among others)<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[CalliArcale]

My brother was involved with neutrino detection, although he's now trying to get away from that, because what he <i>really</i> wants to work in is medical imaging and he's afraid of getting sucked into the academic hole of neutrino research. His PhD was about muons, and I must say, I didn't understand the bulk of it. But apparently physicists did. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />He explained the "missing neutrino" problem to me and how it turned out to not be a problem at all. If you're ever looking for a way to fill your time, just ask him about this or another physics problem. He'll talk for hours. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> He worked several summers (and some winters -- bleh) at the Soudan Underground Mine in northern Minnesota, where the MINOS project had built a massive neutrino detector. Another facility at Fermilab near Chicago fired carefully aimed neutrinos at the detector. With this experiment, they were able to prove experimentally that neutrinos can and do switch between the three "flavors" and have a small amount of mass. Basically, the neutrinos from Fermilab behaved exactly the same way as the ones from the Sun. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#666699"><em>"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly . . . timey wimey . . . stuff."</em>  -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

stevehw33 said: <font color="yellow">There is no longer any solar neutrino problem. The neutrino detectors have found that neutrinos have mass, and thus can change among the 3 kinds of neutrinos. That problem has been solved, but at the cost of making neutrinos slightly massive.</font><br /><br />I need something stable or something that I can stabilize that multiplies in mass as they touch, but is so light that they appear to have mass, but no weight. However, I need to figure out how radiation can be utilized as a switching mechanism to adjust pressure.<br /><br />I am not sure, but I am thinking containment without force: I mean; I may want it to let the nothing expand and contract and contain the nothing at the same time. Otherwise, I would have to add unnecessary weight to the vessel. <br /><br />I want to refract a neutrino as a sublimate into a sphere comprised of liquid helium-II, because I think liquid helium-II would provide elasticity that I need, and the combined neutrinos would provide loft, but I still have a thermal problem. How would liquid helium-II contain a neutrino at rest?<br />

 

[igorsboss]

<font color="yellow">I want to refract a neutrino as a sublimate into a sphere comprised of liquid helium-II, because I think liquid helium-II would provide elasticity that I need, and the combined neutrinos would provide loft, but I still have a thermal problem. How would liquid helium-II contain a neutrino at rest?</font><br /><br />...bbbooogggllleee...

 

[jatslo]

There is something with respect to temperature that is involved with containment: I am thinking the neutrinos with need to be either cold or hot when entering helium-II nucleus, but I am not sure why yet.<br /><br />1. Why can I not refract a neutrino into Helium-II?<br /><br />2. What will happen to the helium-II, if neutrinos are refracted into it?<br /><br />3. Why would helium-II not suspend neutrino, after all, I tryed very hard to pair up alpha and beta particle types into a sphere?<br /><br />4. Why wouldn't two neutrinos combine into one neutrino twice the size into infinity?

 

[igorsboss]

<font color="yellow">1. Why can I not refract a neutrino into Helium-II? <br />2. What will happen to the helium-II, if neutrinos are refracted into it? <br />3. Why would helium-II not suspend neutrino, after all, I tryed very hard to pair up alpha and beta particle types into a sphere? <br />4. Why wouldn't two neutrinos combine into one neutrino twice the size into infinity?</font><br /><br />A drinking glass can act as a containment vessel for water because the electromagnetic force repels water molecules from glass molecules. The water and glass interact with each other.<br /><br />Nutrinos, however, do not interact enough with ordinary matter to create a containment vessel. They would zip right through the vessel walls.

 

[spacechump]

In fact it's really only out of statistical necessity that neutrinos interact with anything at all! There are so many of them that pass through any one area that there is bound to be an occasional interaction with ordinary matter.

 

[drwayne]

There is an important point to be made here:<br /><br />I am in fact a moderator, not an editor. My function within the context of this board is to insure that users remain within the ToS, not to edit posts for correctness. We have had several discussions on the back channel about this, and I believe that we, the moderators and adminstration are in agreement on this. If you disagree with this role or the way I am discharging it, please feel free to contact the administrators.<br /><br />In addition:<br /><br />This is an open board, users are banned for violation of the ToS, not for being incorrect, or having a very high ratio of what they think they know / understand to what they actually know / understand.<br /><br />Wayne<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>

 

[chew_on_this]

<font color="yellow">It's all nonsense and he should be banned.</font><br /><br />If anyone should be banned, it should be you. The majority of your post are insults. If you don't like it, ignore it, and keep the insults to yourself.

 

[jatslo]

I like to think of moderators as unbiased good teachers too. I am just flexing my mind and trying out new ideas to see where it will take me. My instructors advised me to communicate with others regarding unification, and I am not sure why. My written assignment feedback forms that I receive from my instructors often depict high order thinking, and one instructor went as far as following me out of the building clear to my car. I am not bragging, I am just trying to explain why I am here. This web site is the closest representative of space-time that I can find. Space-time.com does not have related discussions, and if it did, I would not be here.<br /><br />My approach is methodical, everything I write is (KEY); Build it and they will come. (Keywords) are my tools, right? <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[jatslo]

Okay, this should project a gravity wave, and push stuff out of my wave/way that would otherwise fry burn me up. but how can I ride behind it without getting smashed by the wrap around effect, as in water wrapping around a rock in a river? Is there a pool where I will be safe? <--- Mental note<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I need something stable or something that I can stabilize that multiplies in mass as they touch, but is so light that they appear to have mass, but no weight. However, I need to figure out how radiation can be utilized as a switching mechanism to adjust pressure.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>

 

[jatslo]

Have you ever sprinkled pepper on water and dropped soap on top to watch the pepper displace to sides of the container? <--- Mental note

 

[chew_on_this]

<font color="yellow">as anyone can review the last 20 of your posts, they'd find they often do one thing. Insult myself.</font><br /><br />What a joke. Usually it's because you are insulting someone else or are making blather which is just plain wrong. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. This doesn't only concern Jatslo. He deserves to blather just as much as you!

 

[jatslo]

I might need charge, because really fast stuff will break through my shield and bust me in the chops. <--- Mental note

 

[jatslo]

I need a weightless charged mass: Neutrino + Helium II = weightless charged mass, right? Helium II will hold a charge, or is conductive, whereas the neutrino is non conductive, which makes them opposites, as in alpha particle and beta particle, right?<br /><br />I am trying to create a weightless charged mass of high pressure, and it can be speed, and/or velocity, whereas velocity would give me extra force, if and when I apply F=ma to the equation.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">In fact it's really only out of statistical necessity that neutrinos interact with anything at all! There are so many of them that pass through any one area that there is bound to be an occasional interaction with ordinary matter.</font>/safety_wrapper>

 

[jatslo]

<font color="yellow">Now, for your specific example, one potential place to look at the data is in the area of neutrinos. You have to understand for your process exactly <b>what flavor of neutrino</b> you expect to see, and at what rates.</font><br /><br />What do you mean by what flavor of neutrino? I found an anti-neutrino, a regular neutrino, and more massive neutrino? I guess there are two types of beta decay, and the alpha particle is in the nucleus of Helium-4, in which Helium-4 coverts to Helium I, and Helium I converts to Helium II, but Helium II still has the alpha particle.<br /><br />You know, I think a neutrino is a neutrino; forget anti-neutrino, and a neutrino with larger mass is probably just a few neutrinos that merged into a larger neutrino. If nobody want to talk about this, then I am going to finish explaining cold fission as a primary source of energy on the Earth’s Sun.<br /><br />electron neutrino, the muon neutrino, and the tau neutrino all have anti neutrinos. I need to find out which one of these neutrinos to use.

 

[jatslo]

I still have not found what I seek:<br /><br />I am shopping for a Charged Weightless Mass that expands and contracts with temperature, but I am not sure why temperature is required in divergence.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">I am trying to create a weightless charged mass of high pressure, and it can be speed, and/or velocity, whereas velocity would give me extra force, if and when I apply F=ma to the equation.</font>/safety_wrapper>

 

[jatslo]

I guess I will explore the electron and helium some more.

 

[odysseus145]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Charged <b>Weightless Mass</b><p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Good luck with that.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Okay, I need to charge my gas to trigger cold fusion somehow. I am beginning to think this is a slow process, as opposed to a sudden collapse of cold gasses. I need to do more research on ionization, which is the process of something to do with electrons. Something to do with adding one, or changing the direction of one, but this sounds like plasma. Brilliant glow is the effect I want, and the more beautiful the better.<br /><br /><font face="verdana" color="lightgreen">An H II region is a cloud of glowing gas and plasma, sometimes several hundred light years across, in which star formation is taking place. Young, hot, blue stars, which have formed from the gas, emit copious amounts of ultraviolet light, ionizing the nebula surrounding them. H II regions may give birth to thousands of stars over a period of several million years. In the end, supernova explosions and strong stellar winds from the most massive stars in the resulting star cluster will disperse the gases of the H II region, leaving behind a cluster such as the Pleiades. H II regions are named for the large amount of ionized atomic hydrogen they contain, and are referred to as H II (pronounced 'aitch two') by astronomers (H I ('aitch one') being neutral atomic hydrogen, and H2 (also 'aitch two') being molecular hydrogen). H II regions can be seen out to considerable distances in the universe, and the study of extragalactic H II regions is important in determining the distance and chemical composition of other galaxies (Encyclopedia).</font><br /><br />I will have a look at kinetic energy too, because that feels right. Oh, the following pic is the H II area from the encyclopedia.

 

[jatslo]

Well this whole shebang is perplexing, and anything I say will be pure speculation; however, I think I have an experiment that will shed light on what is going on in space and in quantum. The Earth's Sun, in my opinion, is powered primarily by fission and (⁴He) is most definitely the mechanism. How am I going to construct this?<br /><br /><font face="verdana" color="cyan">In common with planetary nebulae, determinations of the abundance of elements in H II regions are subject to some uncertainty. There are two different ways of determining the abundance of metals (that is, elements other than hydrogen and helium) in nebulae, which rely on different types of spectral lines, and large discrepancies are sometimes seen between the results derived from the two methods. Some astronomers put this down to the presence of small temperature fluctuations within H II regions; others claim that the discrepancies are too large to be explained by temperature effects, and hypothesize the existence of cold knots containing very little hydrogen to explain the observations (Encyclopedia).</font><br /><br />As the following correspondence suggests: "details of star formation are not well known yet"; however, there is something familiar with the Chromo-Dynamics, which leads me to believe that it is ignorant to think that the Earth's Star is representative of all Stars. Our star is clearly a byproduct of a (H II) region, in which hydrogen was the primary element in terms of total mass.<br /><br /><font face="verdana" color="lightgreen">The full details of massive star formation within H II regions are not yet well known. Two major problems hamper research in this area. First, the distance from Earth to large H II regions is considerable, with the nearest H II region being over 1,000 light years away; other H II regions are several times that distance away from Earth. Secondly, the formation of these stars is deeply obscured by dust, and visible light observations are impossible. Radio and i</font>

 

[chew_on_this]

<font color="yellow">You rarely make ANY scientific contribution around here.</font><br /><br />A lot of my posts are correcting your errors. The posts I make are factual where yours are often error filled. So I guess quanitity does not mean quality in your case. I'd rather be a planet and be correct than a galaxy and wrong, Frank. <br /><br />

 

[Saiph]

Jatslo, every star has been determined to be primarily hydrogen, with ~25% helium (by mass), the standard, stable helium that doesn't undergo fission at any rate worth noting.<br /><br />If you wish to demonstrate how the sun can be powered by helium <i>fission</i> please, show me the amount of energy released per fission event, the rate at which these events must occur, the corresponding number of decays per second that must occur, and the half-life of the helium. Basically: given 0.25 solar masses of helium, how much energy is produced via fission, and what's the half-life.<br /><br />You'll likely find that helium doesn't decay fast enough to produce the observed energy output with the amount of helium known to be present in the sun.<br /><br />You will also need to explain why hydrogen fusion in the cores of the stars is either not possible, or not the primary energy source, because core conditions are very well suited to hydrogen fusion. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p align="center"><font color="#c0c0c0"><br /></font></p><p align="center"><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">--------</font></em></font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">----</font></em></font><font color="#666699">SaiphMOD@gmail.com </font><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">-------------------</font></em></font></p><p><font color="#999999"><em><font size="1">"This is my Timey Wimey Detector.  Goes "bing" when there's stuff.  It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually.  I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- </font></em></font><font size="1" color="#999999">The Tenth Doctor, "Blink"</font></p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Holly crap, Saiph - Why don't you just add in (50-words or less) to your story problem. <br /><br /><font color="yellow">Jatslo, every star has been determined to be primarily hydrogen, with ~25% helium (by mass), the standard, stable helium that doesn't undergo fission at any rate worth noting.</font>It is ignorant of you to definitively state that every Star is primarily hydrogen with 25% helium that is absolutely Bull Plucky. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> I am surprised at your wild speculation in this regard. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> "...<font color="yellow">by any rate worth noting</font>.." <--- <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> Since when is something not worth noting when multiplied by 1-million now worth noting? Do you deny that helium is at the core of our star? Can you speculate on it mass and density? You do not have a clue. Our sun was made by cold fusion, and its dissipation and decay is a byproduct of primarily fission. Fusion is there; it has to be, but it is secondary.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">If you wish to demonstrate how the sun can be powered by helium fission please, show me the amount of energy released per fission event, the rate at which these events must occur, the corresponding number of decays per second that must occur, and the half-life of the helium. Basically: given 0.25 solar masses of helium, how much energy is produced via fission, and what's the half-life.</font><--- The helium is trapped; it cannot escape, and the fission sublimates is constant. I know how to make a nasty something that makes energy. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> 0.25 compressed solar masses of helium; there is far more helium than you think. Why is Gravity and velocity alike?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">You'll likely find that helium doesn't decay fast enoug</font>

 

[odysseus145]

I think that last sentence may have revealed more than you wanted. <br /><br />25%<75% It's pretty straight forward. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>