Fission versus Fusion: 101

jatslo · Oct 24, 2005

Hello! What happened to density? Don't try to pass the fragmented BS off on me.

Saiph · Oct 25, 2005

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />It is ignorant of you to definitively state that every Star is primarily hydrogen with 25% helium that is absolutely Bull Plucky<hr /></blockquote> Not ignorant, as that's the result of extensive surveys of stellar populations. Everywhere you look, it's 75% hydrogen, 25% helium (and what little those are off, is made up with a smattering of everything else). In stars, nebulae, galaxies, everywhere you see matter. So...not ignorant at all. <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />Since when is something not worth noting when multiplied by 1-million now worth noting?<hr /></blockquote> No, it's not. But is it enough? That's my question. You haven't supplied it, I don't know it off hand. So I was a bit cavalier with the statement. <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />Our sun was made by cold fusion, and its dissipation and decay is a byproduct of primarily fission. Fusion is there; it has to be, but it is secondary<hr /></blockquote> Well, a few fun facts. A) you've earlier stated helium fission is the source. B) there is no viable mechanism for cold fusion. C) normal fusion is demonstrated to be possible, and under conditions present at a stellar core. Helium at the core of our star? Sure, Density: Over 25%, but less than 30%...I could do the calculations based on the standard model, but you'd claim that invalid from the get-go (and I'd have to use time I don't have right now). <blockquote>In reply to:<hr /><--- The helium is trapped; it cannot escape, and the fission sublimates is constant. I know how to make a nasty something that makes energy. 0.25 compressed solar masses of helium; there is far more helium than you think. Why is Gravity and velocity alike?<hr /></blockquote> That, doesn't answer any of my questions. Helium is being converted via fission into another pro <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

odysseus145 · Oct 25, 2005

I believe it is you who are full of "fragmented bs". mass=volume*density In other words density is directly related to mass. Again, pretty straight forward. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

Sorry I snapped at you. (volume)(density) = {mass} is fragmented again. It doesn't work that way, or at least for a star it does not.

Saiph · Oct 26, 2005

actually...yes, it does. Density is, by definition mass divided by volume. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

drwayne · Oct 26, 2005

You will sometime see the term mass density used to attempt to insure clarity. Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything." Admiral Jackie Fisher </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

What happened to composition and pressure/gravity? There is more helium in one teaspoon of star core than... well, it is compresses into a smaller mass because of velocity or speed, or at least that is what it looks like from my vantage point. However, if I compressed with it or teleported to the core, then that teaspoon would seem more massive. What happened to the velocity affects: mass, length, and time? I don’t even know where to begin: [1]. Cloud [2]. Cold [3]. Electron [4]. Static [5]. Clumping [6]. Increased mass begins to fuse hydrogen into helium both internally and externally. [7]. A metallic hydrogen mantel is created that traps helium, thus, preventing fission to hydrogen, and it is this core that is the primary source of energy pound for pound. The fission sublimate is energy: pure and unadulterated pure energy, whereas chromo-dynamics is an indicator of its output. Charged particles striking the medium at speeds that greater than the speed of light in the medium; both internally and externally. The medium of the core is helium, and this helium is prevented from becoming a solid.

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

(4He) <---- What is its mass relative to us (just one (QM))?

chew_on_this · Oct 26, 2005

I'm a busy kinda guy. Engineer/dept. manager in a very busy manufacturing plant. Some days are light, some not. Been not for a while.

larper · Oct 26, 2005

OOOH! OOOH! I know this one. Um... The mass of He4 is very nearly 4. What a shocker. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Vote Libertarian </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

4 what? You are not getting away that easy?

larper · Oct 26, 2005

4 Hydrogens. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Vote Libertarian </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

What is the mass of one hydrogen relative to us (QM), what does relative to us mean, and what would happen, if I moved that mass away from our relativity?

larper · Oct 26, 2005

The mass of 1 Hydrogen is the sum of the mass of 1 proton and 1 electron. The rest of your question was garbled in transmission. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Vote Libertarian </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

What is hydrogen once I strip the electron away?

larper · Oct 26, 2005

There are two valid answers. 1) A Proton. 2) a Hydrogen +1 ion. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Vote Libertarian </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

What color is the hydrogen + ion?

larper · Oct 26, 2005

Color does not apply. There are no electrons to excite and then release a photon. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Vote Libertarian </div>

yevaud · Oct 26, 2005

None. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

(hydrogen + ion) + (hydrogen + ion) + (hydrogen + ion) + (hydrogen + ion) = (4He + 4ion) . What color is it?

yevaud · Oct 26, 2005

Unless you're discussing Rayleigh scattering, that's immaterial and irrelevant. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

Why? is it invisible?

yevaud · Oct 26, 2005

No. It doesn't emit in any visible wavelength. And it's such a small molecule, it barely qualifies as an aerosol (Mie Scattering). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

jatslo · Oct 26, 2005

How do I increase its mass?

yevaud · Oct 26, 2005

You don't, really, except by bonding into higher order molecules or hydrogen bonding (H20, for example). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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