Fission versus Fusion: 101

[yevaud]

You're mixing so many wrong things here, I hardly know where to start.<br /><br /><b>Stevehw33 said, "No, jupiter could not ever become a star. The amount of matter it would have to absorb from the solar system would be many 100's of times of the current masses of all the other bodies orbitting the sun."</b><br /><br /><i>I disagree wholeheartedly as usual: Our solar system will likely look like one pulsar (remnants of are current star)</i><br /><br /><font color="black">Our star isn't massive enough to become a Pulsar.</font><br /><br /><i>...and one star (which used to be Jupiter)</i><br /><br /><font color="black">Jupiter isn't remotely massive enough to become a star.</font><br /><br /><i>I can see plasma planets existing</i><br /><br /><font color="black">False science - these don't exist except, perhaps, in comic books.</font><br /><br /><i>The Pulsar will feed from the parent star, and then go supernova on a regular basis.</i><br /><br /><font color="black">What *are* you going on about?</font><br /><br /><b>"To even reach dwarf star status, Jove would have to increase in mass by about 20 fold, and then it would not even be classified as a cool red dwarf, either. "</b><br /><br /><font color="black">Exactly correct.</font><br /><br /><i>Jupiter will increase in mass</i><br /><br /><font color="black">Oh? How?</font><br /><br /><i>until it swallows whole all of which we call home, including, but not limited to our Sun.</i><br /><br /><font color="black">Pretty good for something a tiny fraction of the sun's mass, I'd say.</font><br /><br /><i>Jupiter is a hungry monster that would like nothing more than to eat us, and time, I am sorry to say, is on Jupiter's side.</i><br /><br /><font color="black">Are you the reincarnation of Ed Wood?</font><br /><br /><b>"Jupiter is highly unlikely ever to be a star, under any concievable circumstances. If you ahd ANY fundamental idea of how much mass, and how much hydrogen would</b> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[smartie]

Hey guys, do you reckon Venus used to be a Jupiter sized object when it was born before the Suns UV radiation evaporated its outer layers. ( see Rapid planet formation theory post)

 

[yevaud]

Afraid I don't, though it did lose a great deal of H and O from it's atmosphere. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[smartie]

So what don't you like about the new planet formation theory? I take it you agree with the stella formation process. Why have two different formation theories. Surely the processes should be similar but at a smaller scale.

 

[yevaud]

Why should it "surely" be? Yes, both form out of the initial Protoplanetary disc, but diverge from there.<br /><br />Umm, of which doesn't explain why the question about Venus beginning as a Jovian sized world. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[smartie]

Imagine Jupiters atmosphere layed flat out in a disk shape, where each band is located at each planets orbit. The formation of a planet could occur in the same way as the great red spot, using the same rules as the development of a huge hurricane. <br /> Anyhow the current formation process is accepted by the scientific community to have problems. The planets don't form quick enough. Please put that old text book away and keep abreast of recent developments.

 

[yevaud]

<i>keep abreast of recent developments.</i><br /><br />Remind me what I went to college for now...<br /><br />Oh yeah. That. Right. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[smartie]

Yeah, your right mate anything u say.... yawn

 

[yevaud]

Yeah *yawn* I have gotten tired of 14 year olds with comic book knowledge of science saying "DoOd, their all Wrong!!!" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

<i>Anyhow the current formation process is accepted by the scientific community to have problems.</i><br /><br />Mind explaining that in more detail? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Yevaud wrote, "<font color="cyan">You're mixing so many wrong things here, I hardly know where to start.</font>" <---- Not likely.<br /><br />"<font color="cyan">Our star isn't massive enough to become a Pulsar. </font>" <---- If Jupiter is going to increase in mass, the Earth's Sun is likely to ride tandem.<br /><br />"<font color="cyan">Jupiter isn't remotely massive enough to become a star.</font>" <--- Not yet, but there is a probability that it will.<br /><br />"<font color="cyan">False science - these don't exist except, perhaps, in comic books.</font>" <--- Your response to planet sized ball plasma, which is flawed: Ball plasma is a real charged mass just like any other mass that you call Black Hole. You say it is false science, because you too are stuck in a group think "majority rules" rut.<br /><br />"<font color="cyan">What *are* you going on about?</font>" <--- Your response to the pulsar feeding from its star companion, which you know, but deny the existence of: Try Google.<br /><br />"<font color="cyan">Oh? How?</font>" <--- Your shocked about a mass increase, and want to know how: Our solar system will pass through several interstellar clouds of gas and dust, that is how. The consequence is hypothetical and/or theoretical at best.<br /><br />"<font color="cyan">Chatbot Gibberish...</font>" <--- I am not going to respond to the rest; it is too chatboty for me.

 

[yevaud]

<i>Try Google.</i><br /><br />Try a Degree Program. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Geez, Yevaud... Try practicing what you preach; you are just a chat bot today arn't you?

 

[smartie]

If you could be bothered to read the link you would see both processes are in action. You are not wrong and neither am I. It would however be helpful if you did acknowledge the problems with the current accepted model instead of deluding yourself that it is a perfect model. <br /><br />http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planets_quickly_021129.html

 

[yevaud]

There should be a disclaimer at the Google website: <b>"Warning - use of Google is the principal cause of people deluding themselves into believing that they're geniuses."</b><br /><br />How's that? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

You should work on your professionalism, and stop taking things so personally. Do you actually think you are winning?

 

[jatslo]

Then use your college library; you went back to school didn't you?

 

[yevaud]

Jatslo, my "Professionalism" is not in question here - what is is the continual posting of nonsense by people who have convinced themselves that they're Nobel Prize winning Physicists.<br /><br />And if you think I'm wrong about that, then why have their been threads devoted to the degeneration of the science fora for a year now? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

In this same forum, look at: <i>early Earth: 30 million years to layering.</i><br /><br />It's not radical, and it's not earth-shattering. It's a simple refinement, and that's all. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

&%$#@! Dobbins, and anyone like him who suppresses free speech; you are obviously speaking like one of the very people you are talking about. <br /><br />And your thread was DELETED, DELETED, DELETED... <br /><br />Is this your mission? You will get banned!

 

[smartie]

The 'nonsense' you talk about was from a news article from this website. How small do you feel <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />It's clear that you don't bother to read the links. Perhaps you get off by causing confrontation with people so I won't bother pleasing you by continuing this debate. <br />

 

[jatslo]

No, Yevaud is cool, just pissed off is all, Give him time to cool out. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[smartie]

Hi jatslo <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[yevaud]

I do tend to get my current science information from better sources than SDC's news site, thanks. And what I told you *is* the current thought on the subject - it's not a "new paradigm," and it's not the second coming of Einstein.<br /><br />And...small? As opposed to someone who infests science message boards with Captain Marvel science knowledge? You'll have to try harder than that.<br /><br />Btw, most of us here know this type well: their the ones who's hackle's raise and yelling begins, the instant someone mentions "education."<br /><br />Jatslo - the reason of which had little to do with the fact that the science fora are becoming crap, because of people who believe in "planet sized balls of plasma," and "light matter / dark matter" and "the electric universe."<br /><br />Any of this sound eerily familiar to you? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Yevaud said, "<font color="yellow">Jatslo - the reason of which had little to do with the fact that the science fora are becoming crap, because of people who believe in "planet sized balls of plasma," and "light matter / dark matter" and "the electric universe."</font><br /><br />If I ignored any facts, then please do point them out, because if you do not, then I will not learn. I believe; therefore, I am, and I do not ignore facts; therefore, I am not ignorant, and I will stand by anyone who shares these same philosophies, regardless; therefore, I am not arrogant. Anyone who knows me will tell you the same thing.<br /><br />I am the innovator; always have been, and always will be.