International Space Agency?!? Yes? No? Maybe?

[j05h]

>Two or more teams, each going their own ways, insures that the whole future of spaceflight doesn't get taken down by one mistake.<br /><br />Yes! You are reading my thoughts! Diversity ensures survival, a monoculture ensures destruction. <br /><br />Josh <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center"><em>We need a first generation of pioneers.</em><br /></div> </div>

 

[quasar2]

Hi Rick, i`ve always been curious about this: in Star trek an ISA is mentioned. now did Paramount get this idea from "you" or vice-versa, or was it purely sychronicity? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[alpha_and_omega]

quasar2 Writes: "Hi Rick, i`ve always been curious about this: in Star trek an ISA is mentioned. now did Paramount get this idea from "you" or vice-versa, or was it purely sychronicity?"<br /><br />1982 - International Space Agency Concept & Thesis Started<br />ISA Thesis:<br />http://www.international-space-agency.net/organization/archives/1982_original_isa_thesis_concept_1.html<br />ISA Concept:<br />http://www.international-space-agency.net/concept.html<br /><br />1986 - The Real International Space Agency is Founded<br />http://www.international-space-agency.net/flyer.html<br />http://www.international-space-agency.org/pages/31/index.htm<br /><br />1990 - The Real International Space Agency is Incorporated<br />http://www.international-space-agency.net/coi.html<br /><br />1992 - The first International Space Agency Diplomatic Meeting in Washington, D.C. ( First of over 300 meetings to date )<br />* Click on the next button, on bottom of pages, for full archive<br />http://www.international-space-agency.net/organization/archives/1st_april_1992_premeeting_letter_carnegie_endowment_meeting_22_may_1992.html<br /><br />1999 - Paramount uses International Space Agency name<br />Star Trek - Voyager - One Small Step:<br />Voyager finds an ancient spacecraft -- the derelict of one of humanity's first manned missions to Mars.<br />http://memory-</safety_wrapper

 

[dobbins]

The "reality" of the ISA exists in your megalomania. Beyond that it's about as real as any other Internet fantasy<br /><br />

 

[alpha_and_omega]

John B. Dobbins: "The "reality" of the ISA exists in your megalomania. Beyond that it's about as real as any other Internet fantasy - Space Amateurs Talk About Missions; Space Professionals Talk About Logistics and Procedures"<br /><br />"megalomania":<br />http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Galileo.html<br /><br />"as real as any other Internet fantasy":<br />(*Started in a garage by a bunch of drop outs and a few high school students)<br />http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/bio.asp<br /><br />"Space Amateurs Talk About Missions":<br />http://backoffgov.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_backoffgov_archive.html<br />http://www.planetary.org<br /><br />"Space Professionals Talk About Logistics and Procedures":<br />http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/sputnik/braun.html

 

[dobbins]

"But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. "<br />-- Carl Sagan<br />

 

[alpha_and_omega]

John B. Dobbins: "But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. "-- Carl Sagan"<br /><br />"Burt Rutan - If you don't have a consensus, that it's nonsense, you don't have a breakthrough."<br />http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/if-you-don-t-have-a-consensus-that-it-s-nonsense/371149.html<br /><br />"Burt Rutan - Never listen to the nay-sayers, they never make any breakthroughs or make history. It is the risk takers and inovators who will shape the future of manned space flight."<br />http://www.rppi.org/interview_burt_rutan.shtml

 

[dobbins]

Continuing to make an argument based on a fallacy doesn't correct it's lack of logic, though comparing yourself to these people does back up the concept of your megalomania.<br /><br />

 

[alpha_and_omega]

"John B. Dobbins Writes:<br />http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Board=missions&Number=375679<br /><br />Since the Apollo Soyuz test program the US manned space program has had several periods of space plane induced grounding. <br /><br />24 Jul 1975 to 12 Apr 1981 5 years 8 months 19 days <br />28 Jan 1986 to 28 Sep 1988 2 years 8 months <br />1 Feb 2003 to 26 Jul 2005 2 years 5 months 25 days <br />9 Aug 2005 to 3 May 2006 (hopefully) 8 months 24 days <br /><br />That adds up to 11 years 7 months 8 days, over a third of the time between the last Apollo hardware flight and the tentative next Shuttle flight. A longer period of time than elapsed between NASA coming into existence in October 1958 and landing a man on the Moon in July 1969. <br /><br />In addition there have been several attempts to develop another space plane, all of which ran into budget and/or technical problems. Despite this we still have the space plane fans demanding, not asking DEMANDING, that we do another one. <br /><br />I'm not willing to watch the American space program stuck on the ground waiting for a Gee Whiz space plane for almost 6 years after the last Shuttle flight like I did after the last Apollo hardware flew. I'm fed up with space plane induced groundings. I want something that gets astronauts into space, and I don't care if it looks like Apollo, like Soyuz, like a big Mercury capsule or like the rocket in Flesh Gordon (Yes Flesh, not Flash)."<br /><br />*******************************************<br /><br />Dear John,<br /><br />Good point, well taken! <br /><br />Here is the answer to your hope & desire:<br />http://www.international-spaceplane-program.org<br /><br />Here is your fellow Brits at work:<br />http://www.bristolspaceplanes.com<br /><br />Cheers, Ma

 

[lampblack]

<font color="yellow">"Here is the answer to your hope & desire: <br />http://www.international-spaceplane-program.org " </font><br /><br /><br />Wow... if I were seeking to define "tacky" in web site design, I might share this url with folks. The melodramatic music on the main page was over-the-top. The choices regarding font and layout were -- well -- amateurish.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#0000ff"><strong>Just tell the truth and let the chips fall...</strong></font> </div>

 

[henryhallam]

And it sure is an ugly-looking backyard rollercoaster.

 

[dobbins]

"Here is your fellow Brits at work:"<br /><br />Brits? I'm an American Mutt.<br /><br />An English-Scots-Irish-French-Hungarian-Cherokee-American mixed breed with a Sister-in-law from Italy and a grand-niece that is half Mexican. My family tree looks like the UN. Where on Earth did you get the idea that I was a Brit?<br /><br />

 

[quasar2]

Thanks, Rick. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[mental_avenger]

Well, we won’t have to put up with any more posts from Rick, at least until he illegally logs on to Uplink with yet another phony userid.<br /><br />On a side note, after 19 years, Columbus, Fulton, the Wright brothers, Gates, and Jobs all had a LOT more to show for their efforts than a caricature of a website.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[john_316]

ISA? <br /><br />Isnt that ESA?<br /><br /><br />Why in the world would I want the french taking my taxpaying dollars for there own lil programs?<br /><br />To Heck with internationalization of American Assetts. We already have enough of that in Business. <br /><br />Space? Give me a break! American vision and european visions are not the same. Look at the Kyoto treaty as an example.<br /><br />To surrender Americans own space vision to that of the europeans would deny future Americans the success;s of our past. Why does it have to always be internationalized? Can't we have our own lil space agency just for us? Why do we always have to screw around with other people and cultures? Just to prove a point we are diversified? Geez we already did that.....<br /><br />I want my rockets American designed and flown by Americans. I don't have a problem with interoperability with some other nations but to fund another organization like the UN will both prove fruitless as you see with ISS....<br /><br />my 2 cents.....<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />

 

[dobbins]

The ISA isn't the same thing as the ESA. It's the creation of a crackpot that thinks all the space programs of the world ought to be placed under his personal control. It ranks right up there with UFOs and the Loch Ness monster on the nut scale. The loon that dreamed up the ISA shows up on space forums from time to time to push his nutty scheme until he gets banned.<br /><br />

 

[john_316]

I am aware of that....<br /><br />But when someone mentions something along these lines it reminds me of ESA which truelly would be his organization with a different name.<br /><br />I remember this guys posts from before...... I am not new you know.. I was here before the hard drive crashes... LOL<br /><br />Oh by the way the you know that Klipper the Russians promote? Well I designed that way back you know.....<br /><br />The biconical insertion concept ideas were all stolen by me from NASCAR.... Oooops!!!!! I mean I didnt design that thing they must have stolen it from someone who was into NASCAR...<br /><br />Hehehe!!!!<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />

 

[nibb31]

"But when someone mentions something along these lines it reminds me of ESA which truelly would be his organization with a different name."<br /><br />The ESA is an organisation for European space cooperation. It certainly does not have any plans of incorporating NASA or Russian, Indian or Chinese space organizations even if it does cooperate with them at a peer level. Comparing Dobson's website to ESA is comparing a nutcase with a shotgun to the US Army.<br /><br />I keep on seeing people complaining that the USA is giving too much money to finance other countries' rockets. May I remind you that the ISS was a US initiative, and that one of its unspoken political goals was specifically to get Russia and Europe to divert their space credits into a project that the US could control, instead of going into projects that could hurt US supremacy, like Hermes or Ariane. Another goal was to find a use for it's shuttle and to get other countries to take part in the funding. <br /><br />ESA actually had to be dragged into the project and many voices in Europe were actually against it, because of those reasons. Now that ESA has invested in Columbus and other parts of the ISS, NASA is delaying and cancelling the assembly of those parts. From a European point of view, ESA was trapped in the ISS project.