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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Source Image: http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/306-230906-3253-6-co2-Cydonia_H.jpg Posted by ks15</DIV>Using this photo of the "face", I easily see a more alien face where the nose/mouth would be on the larger one.&nbsp; Bald head, slanty eyes, nose bridge, pointed chin, a slight grin and a hatchet slash down the left side (right side in picture). <br /> Posted by sp</DIV></p><p>I see rocks. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<span><p>The ever changing Face. A photographic history. </p><p>This first image is a Malin Space Science Systems image of the Face. This image was taken by the Mars Global Surveyor orbiter in 1998. All the news networks shown this image telling everyone it&rsquo;s just a hill. Stated resolution&hellip;&hellip;14.1 Feet per pixel(?!). If you read the source link, You will discover this image was taken under less than ideal conditions. Low Sun angle and poor weather conditions. Resolution is only one of many factors.</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD144.gif</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span><font face="Arial"><span><p>Source link:</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/4_6_98_face_release/</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>A second MGS image taken in 2001 (Reduced). Stated resolution - 6.6 feet per pixel.</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD145.gif</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>Source link:</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extended_may2001/face/</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>A NASA/MRO image (Reduced) taken in 2007. Stated resolution - 3.0 feet per pixel. </p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD146.jpg</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>The Face shown upside down.</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2007/details/PSP_003234_2210.jpg</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>Source link:</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_003234_2210</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>A couple of ludicrous Mars Express 3D versions. Down right silly. The second image is rotated 180 degrees.</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.esa.int/images/311-230906-3253-6-3d5-Cydonia_L.jpg</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.esa.int/images/312-230906-3253-6-3d6-Cydonia_L.jpg</span></font></font></u></p></span></font></font></u><font face="Arial"><span><p>Two ESA/Mars Express images taken in 2006. Resolution - 45 feet per pixel. Of course, These images are cropped, rotated, and processed. The Mars Express images are in color. I am taking full advantage of this fact.</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Face/C55.jpg</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Face/D17.jpg</span></font></font></u></p></span></font></font></u><font face="Arial"><span><p>Source Link:</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=cydonia&single=y&start=10</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>A comparison of the NASA/MRO (Left) and ESA/Mars Express (Right) images. </p><p>The MRO version is reduced. The Mars Express version processed.</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD143a.jpg</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>Another view:</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/C63a.jpg</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font><font face="Arial"><span><p>Two different space agencies with two different versions of the Face.</p><p>This difference has nothing to do with resolution. This difference exceeds any factors due to resolution differences.</p><p>Website:</p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_show.html</span></font></font></u></p></font></font></u></span></font>
 
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I'm not sure what the point is that you're trying to prove with all of the images of "The Face."&nbsp; I have a 380+ megabyte .tif Cydonia image I converted over from a jpeg2000 image.&nbsp; The resolution is amazing, I'm not sure how tight it is but you could probably read the warranty on a pack of chewing gum.&nbsp; It's clear, crisp and huge.&nbsp; If I had a host for it, I'd link it.&nbsp; I'm sure if you looked you could find it.&nbsp; I'm off to work or I'd find a link for you.&nbsp; You'll need to have a program that will read jpeg2000 though.&nbsp; If you have Photoshop you can download a plugin to read jpeg2000 images. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I'm not sure what the point is that you're trying to prove with all of the images of "The Face."&nbsp; I have a 380+ megabyte .tif Cydonia image I converted over from a jpeg2000 image.&nbsp; The resolution is amazing, I'm not sure how tight it is but you could probably read the warranty on a pack of chewing gum.&nbsp; It's clear, crisp and huge.&nbsp; If I had a host for it, I'd link it.&nbsp; I'm sure if you looked you could find it.&nbsp; I'm off to work or I'd find a link for you.&nbsp; You'll need to have a program that will read jpeg2000 though.&nbsp; If you have Photoshop you can download a plugin to read jpeg2000 images. <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV><br /><br />If you get a chance, I loved to see the link at some point. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em><font size="1" color="#000080">Don't let who you are keep you from becoming who you want to be!</font></em></p> </div>
 
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<span><span><p>Hello Lost Packet.</p><p>I have already seen it. </p><p>An equation to live by&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;.</p><p>BMP = TIFF = PNG =JPEG&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;..At least, This should be true. High quality is high quality no matter the image format&hellip;.</p><p>The ESA are playing games with their Cydonia images. I have looked at several versions released by this agency&hellip;.All them have problems&hellip;Nothing to do with resolution&hellip;These images are custom tailored for different types of individuals with different &ldquo;Beliefs&rdquo;&hellip;.Take your pick.</p><p>Disinformation does exist. It is foolish to believe otherwise.</p><p>However, If you take an unbiased scientific approach and compare images, You will eventually weed out and discard the false, noisy images.</p><p>The only images of Cydonia that are trustworthy are these&hellip;&hellip;Why?&hellip;I have done research and experiments&hellip;.</p><p>http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=cydonia&single=y&start=4</p><p>http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=cydonia&single=y&start=10</p><p>Ignore the TIFF&rsquo;s. The TIFF images are different from the JPEG&hellip;.This should not be.</p><p>I work with TIFF&rsquo;s, JPEG&rsquo;s, BMP, and PNG. I have experimented with other Mars Express images. However, When it comes to Mars Express Cydonia images, A whole host of problems and inconsistencies emerge.</p><p>A link to an Unexplained Mysteries post covering their TIFF problems. Look for post 302.</p><p>http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=116304&st=300&start=300</p><p>Take another look at this image&hellip;&hellip;</p><p>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD143a.jpg</p><p>There should be NO difference&hellip;..But there is&hellip;&hellip;.</p><p>This difference is way beyond resolution&hellip;The main point of my last post.</p><p>Images on their so called &ldquo;Public&rdquo; website are just as good as any. </p><p>A quote from their website:</p><p>&ldquo;The ESA Portal Multimedia Gallery contains images and videos used throughout the ESA Portal. <strong>The images are offered in the Gallery in the highest resolution available</strong>.&rdquo;</p><p>Take a good look at the following images. Compare these images to any images you might have. I am sure you will find differences&hellip;.Resolution is not a factor. The resolution should be the same in ALL images. The fact is no difference should exist in any of the Mars Express images of Cydonia&hellip;.IN ANY FORMAT or image size&hellip;.But there is&hellip;..Confusion tactics at work.</p><p>http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Face/AA58b.jpg</p><p>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD127.jpg</p><p>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD123.jpg</p><p>This entire Cydonia/Face business is made complicated on purpose. Reason?&hellip;.Maybe a part of a slow release disclosure plan. Maybe a test or an experiment to see how people react. Mix legitimate images with some noisy images&hellip;..Seems to be a strategy at work.</p><p>Cydonia is only one area of Mars. My website has Nepenthes Mensae, Hebes Chasma, and Tithonium Chasma. Visit my website and browse around.</p><p>Website:</p><p>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_show.html</p><p>One must do research and not take everything at face value.</p><p>&nbsp;</p></span></span>
 
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<span><p>A few Echus Chasma images. </p><p>I used a better enlargement program called Genuine Fractals 5. Something a little better than the standard Bicubic Interpolation method. This method has a tendency to round sharp edges.</p><p>The quality of the original TIFF is quite good. Normally, The original Mars Express images are on the noisy side making GF5 useless. Genuine Fractals 5 is really meant for high quality noise free photos.</p><p>This first image is our reptilian figure head (A) and the &ldquo;House&rdquo; (B). Note highly reflective surface on the left side of this &ldquo;House&rdquo;.</p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Echus_Chasma/ECH44.jpg</span></font></font></font></u></p></font></font></font></u></span><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span><p>A second image. </p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Echus_Chasma/ECH36.jpg</span></font></font></font></u></p></font></font></font></u></span></font></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span><p>Two more&hellip;..</p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Echus_Chasma/ECH37.jpg</span></font></font></font></u></p></font></font></font></u></span></font></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Echus_Chasma/ECH35.jpg</span></font></font></font></u></p></font></font></font></u></span></font></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span><p>Two full size images (5MB, 8MB):</p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Echus_Chasma/ECH18.jpg</span></font></font></font></u></p></font></font></font></u></span></font></font><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Echus_Chasma/ECH30.jpg</span></font></font></font></u></p></span></font></font></font></u><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span><p>Source Image:</p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&mission=Mars%20Express&single=y&start=3</span></font></font></font></u></p></font></font></font></u></span></font></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span><p>Website:</p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_show.html</span></font></font></font></u></p></font></font></font></u></span></font></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></font>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If you get a chance, I loved to see the link at some point. Posted by abq_farside</DIV></p><p>It's an official image from one of the Aerospace concerns, NASA, ESA, etc..&nbsp; Not sure which.&nbsp; I wish I had a host for it so I could just link it directly. I'll crop it down and see how big just the "face" comes out to be.&nbsp; If it is small enough to host on a file site, I'll post it. Not a lot of people can read a jpeg2000 image so I converted it to an uncompressed tif. I believe I did that originally for another poster here but I didn't save the host link.&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If you get a chance, I loved to see the link at some point. Posted by abq_farside</DIV></p><p>It's probably an ESA link, but I figured I'd go ahead and save you the trouble of having to install a plugin or download the standalone jpeg2000 reader. </p><p>I cropped the image down to a roughly 9000x9000 pixel area encompassing the Face.&nbsp; It is roughly 48 meg.&nbsp; I had to upload it in a .rar file because Mediafire has different file size restrictions based on whether or not it is a file or image..&nbsp; So, may as well .rar it. /shrug&nbsp; Images don't compress appreciably anyway so it's the same size it would be uncompressed.</p><p>You can pick up Winrar (An archive utility for .rar and .zip plus several other compression formats) here:http://www.rarlab.com/ It's a necessity these days anyway so it's good to have. </p><p>The 9kx9k pixel, 48meg cropped image of the Face is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?y2jdmx1ecn9 </p><p>Download the .rar file, use Winrar to uncompress it and you will get an uncompressed .tif named The_Face.tif.&nbsp; Just about any graphic program will read it and you may even be able to read it with Internet Explorer if all else fails.&nbsp; I can't remember atm.&nbsp; But, it's a heck of a lot easier to view than a jpeg2000 which requires specific plugins and/or the standalone reader. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hello Lost Packet.I have already seen it. An equation to live by&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;.BMP = TIFF = PNG =JPEG&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;..At least, This should be true. High quality is high quality no matter the image format&hellip;.</DIV></p><p>Errm.. "No."&nbsp; A high-quality compressed image without lossless compression is not the same quality and never will be as a high-quality uncompressed image.&nbsp; Even "lossless" can be troublesome.&nbsp; BMP=TIFF=PNG=JPEG=Wrong.</p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The ESA are playing games with their Cydonia images. I have looked at several versions released by this agency&hellip;.All them have problems&hellip;Nothing to do with resolution&hellip;These images are custom tailored for different types of individuals with different &ldquo;Beliefs&rdquo;&hellip;.Take your pick.Disinformation does exist. It is foolish to believe otherwise.However, If you take an unbiased scientific approach and compare images, You will eventually weed out and discard the false, noisy images.The only images of Cydonia that are trustworthy are these&hellip;&hellip;Why?&hellip;I have done research and experiments&hellip;.http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=cydonia&single=y&start=4http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=cydonia&single=y&start=10Ignore the TIFF&rsquo;s. The TIFF images are different from the JPEG&hellip;.This should not be.I work with TIFF&rsquo;s, JPEG&rsquo;s, BMP, and PNG.</DIV></p><p>If it's compressed, it's compressed.&nbsp; It doesn't matter what format it's in as far as that goes.&nbsp; Compression, depending upon both the image format and the compression scheme CAN change the image appearance.&nbsp; There are differing image formats for a reason.&nbsp; They're not all the same.&nbsp; What "experiments" did you do?&nbsp; That's an interesting and possibly extremely misleading use of the word. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I have experimented with other Mars Express images.</DIV></p><p>Experimented or investigated?&nbsp; There is a difference. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>However, When it comes to Mars Express Cydonia images, A whole host of problems and inconsistencies emerge.A link to an Unexplained Mysteries post covering their TIFF problems. Look for post 302.http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=116304&st=300&start=300Take another look at this image&hellip;&hellip;</DIV></p><p>You have got to be kidding me.&nbsp; You're referencing a link from the forums of the dumbest, most idiotic, publicity seeking for-profit television mockumentery show in existence?&nbsp; The guy there even claims there are "crystal structures" and "no two natural features should have the same angles" when he's looking at a picture taken from high orbit?&nbsp; What the heck did he do - Take out his high-school protractor and a ruler and draw a pencil line across the photo that would end up being 500 miles wide if it was a 1:1 resolution and then proclaim the angles are the same?&nbsp; What "crystal structures" is he referring to?&nbsp; Shadows? Rocks? The Easter Bunny's secret stash?&nbsp; The kindest criticism I can give to him is that "He has left the path of wisdom."&nbsp; Make of that what you will.</p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD143a.jpgThere should be NO difference&hellip;..But there is&hellip;&hellip;.This difference is way beyond resolution&hellip;</DIV></p><p>...&nbsp; I have a camera at home that takes great pictures.&nbsp; I also have one that takes crappy pictures.&nbsp; Get the hint? </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Resolution is not a factor. The resolution should be the same in ALL images.</DIV></p><p>Uh.. "No."&nbsp; That depends on the presentation of the image and the purpose for it.&nbsp; For instance, you can't get the 380+ meg jpeg2000 image simply by loading the page.&nbsp; It's not a thumbnail.&nbsp; It's not a compressed jpg or gif intended for quick web viewing. It also depends on the camera capabilities and how you're going to present the image.&nbsp; If you want to have two images showing a feature and you want to make that feature present as the same dimensional size but the resolutions are markedly different, one of them is going to look like crap compared to the higher resolution one when it is brought up to similar dimensional scale.&nbsp; Also, if you take a picture of something from distance and change that distance but keep the same resolution, then you are going to end up with varying amounts of detail that is discernable.&nbsp; That's just plain common sense. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The fact is no difference should exist in any of the Mars Express images of Cydonia&hellip;.IN ANY FORMAT or image size&hellip;.But there is&hellip;..Confusion tactics at work.</DIV></p><p>No, a severe confusion over image formats, imaging capabilities, image compression and their intended use is evident here.&nbsp; As far as differences go, I have yet to see any differences that aren't due to resolution or imaging capabilities available at the time. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This entire Cydonia/Face business is made complicated on purpose. Reason?&hellip;.Maybe a part of a slow release disclosure plan. Maybe a test or an experiment to see how people react. Mix legitimate images with some noisy images&hellip;..Seems to be a strategy at work.Cydonia is only one area of Mars. My website has Nepenthes Mensae, Hebes Chasma, and Tithonium Chasma. Visit my website and browse around.Website:http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_show.htmlOne must do research and not take everything at face value.&nbsp; <br /> Posted by ks15</DIV></p><p>Yes, one must do research.&nbsp; But, one mustn't just simply discard data because it doesn't fit one's expectations or desires.&nbsp; Give concrete, absolute reasons why you are cherrypicking your data besides your "opinion" regarding their lack of validity simply because they "don't look like" images taken with different and remarkably inferior equipment. </p><p>You're discarding data that doesn't fit into your carefully constructed belief and not because there is anything invalid about it at all.&nbsp; That is all you are doing.&nbsp; You haven't done any "experiments" nor can I see where you have done any research.&nbsp; You have simply grabbed some pictures, drawn lines on them and then put forth all manner of assumptions that have no evidence aside from what you have carefully constructed after weeding out that which did not agree with your premise.</p><p>In short, it is not a valid line of questioning which you propose.&nbsp; It is not "experimentation" and it is not "research."&nbsp; It is playing connect-the-dots-on-mars-images except you're arbitrarily deciding which dots you feel are good enough to include in your artwork and discarding any canvases that will not allow you to fudge the lines to fit your premise. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">This first image is a Malin Space Science Systems image of the Face. This image was taken by the Mars Global Surveyor orbiter in 1998. All the news networks shown this image telling everyone it&rsquo;s just a hill. Stated resolution&hellip;&hellip;14.1 Feet per pixel(?!). If you read the source link, You will discover this image was taken under less than ideal conditions. Low Sun angle and poor weather conditions. Resolution is only one of many factors.</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD144.gif</span></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Source link:</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/4_6_98_face_release/</span></u><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">What other factors were there?<span>&nbsp; </span>Looks life a mesa to me</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">A second MGS image taken in 2001 (Reduced). Stated resolution - 6.6 feet per pixel.</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD145.gif</span></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Source link:</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extended_may2001/face/</span></u><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Looks like a mesa imaged under better conditions</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">NASA/MRO image (Reduced) taken in 2007. Stated resolution - 3.0 feet per pixel. </span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD146.jpg</span></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">The Face shown upside down.</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2007/details/PSP_003234_2210.jpg</span></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Source link:</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_003234_2210</span></u><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Higher resolution views of a mesa</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">A couple of ludicrous Mars Express 3D versions. Down right silly. The second image is rotated 180 degrees.</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.esa.int/images/311-230906-3253-6-3d5-Cydonia_L.jpg</span></u><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.esa.int/images/312-230906-3253-6-3d6-Cydonia_L.jpg</span></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">&nbsp;<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">what is ludicrous about them?<span>&nbsp; </span>Why are they down right silly? To me they look like typical DEMs from stereo imagery with a vertical exaggeration</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Two ESA/Mars Express images taken in 2006. Resolution - 45 feet per pixel. Of course, These images are cropped, rotated, and processed. The Mars Express images are in color. I am taking full advantage of this fact.</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Face/C55.jpg</span></u><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Face/D17.jpg</span></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Source Link:</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=cydonia&single=y&start=10</span></u><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">More views of mesas</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">A comparison of the NASA/MRO (Left) and ESA/Mars Express (Right) images. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">The MRO version is reduced. The Mars Express version processed.</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD143a.jpg</span></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Another view:</span><u><span style="font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/C63a.jpg</span></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Two different space agencies with two different versions of the Face.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">This difference has nothing to do with resolution. This difference exceeds any factors due to resolution differences.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">The differences I see are trivial, and attibutable to different imaging systems, resolutions, processing, and time of image capture.<span>&nbsp; </span>It is still the same mesa.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Jon</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">&nbsp;</span></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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<p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">The ESA are playing games with their Cydonia images. I have looked at several versions released by this agency&hellip;.All them have problems&hellip;Nothing to do with resolution&hellip;These images are custom tailored for different types of individuals with different &ldquo;Beliefs&rdquo;&hellip;.Take your pick.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">What evidence do you have that they are playing games?<span>&nbsp; </span>That MRSC images have a different texture and appearance to HiRISE and MOC? Since these are all different systems such differences are to be expected.<span>&nbsp; </span>Insufficient evidence for &ldquo;playing games&rdquo;.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> Disinformation does exist. It is foolish to believe otherwise.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">What evidence have you got for disinformation?<span>&nbsp; </span>Nothing you have given so far indicates any.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">However, If you take an unbiased scientific approach and compare images, You will eventually weed out and discard the false, noisy images.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">What defines an unbiased and scientific approach? The approach you take?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">The only images of Cydonia that are trustworthy are these&hellip;&hellip;Why?&hellip;I have done research and experiments&hellip;.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#003399;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=cydonia&single=y&start=4</span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#003399;font-family:Verdana">http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&keyword=cydonia&single=y&start=10</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Why should we take your word for it?<span>&nbsp; </span>Specify your research and experiments.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">[</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">QUOTE]</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Ignore the TIFF&rsquo;s. The TIFF images are different from the JPEG&hellip;.This should not be.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">JPEGs are compressed and so will be different from TIFFs.<span>&nbsp; </span>This is as it should be.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">[</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">QUOTE]</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">I work with TIFF&rsquo;s, JPEG&rsquo;s, BMP, and PNG. I have experimented with other Mars Express images. However, When it comes to Mars Express Cydonia images, A whole host of problems and inconsistencies emerge.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">But not enough to be aware of the differences between them, apparently!</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">A link to an Unexplained Mysteries post covering their TIFF problems. Look for post 302.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#003399;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=116304&st=300&start=300</span></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Why should we take a woo woo site seriously?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Take another look at this image&hellip;&hellip;</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#003399;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD143a.jpg</span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">There should be NO difference&hellip;..But there is&hellip;&hellip;.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">This difference is way beyond resolution&hellip;The main point of my last post.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Different imagining system, different processing methods, different time of image capture seem adequate to explain the trivial differences to me.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Images on their so called &ldquo;Public&rdquo; website are just as good as any. </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">A quote from their website:</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&ldquo;The ESA Portal Multimedia Gallery contains images and videos used throughout the ESA Portal. <strong><span style="font-family:Verdana">The images are offered in the Gallery in the highest resolution available</span></strong>.&rdquo;</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Take a good look at the following images. Compare these images to any images you might have. I am sure you will find differences&hellip;.Resolution is not a factor. The resolution should be the same in ALL images. The fact is no difference should exist in any of the Mars Express images of Cydonia&hellip;.IN ANY FORMAT or image size&hellip;.But there is&hellip;..Confusion tactics at work.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Why should resolution be the same in all images?<span>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Why are different resolution images indicative of confusion tactics?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#003399;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Face/AA58b.jpg</span></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">What are being indicated by the arrows and why are they important?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#003399;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD127.jpg</span></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Different colour stretch.<span>&nbsp; </span>What does it show that is significantly different?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#003399;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">http://www.marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Cydonia_Images/CYD123.jpg</span></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Yet another different colour stretch.<span>&nbsp; </span>What does it show of significance?</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">This entire Cydonia/Face business is made complicated on purpose. </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"></DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">The only complication being made about Cydonia is the persistence of some people to see the area for anything than what it is, a collection of mesas.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;What's the reason for this?&nbsp; You tell me.&nbsp; You are the one contributing to the complication.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Reason?&hellip;.Maybe a part of a slow release disclosure plan. Maybe a test or an experiment to see how people react. Mix legitimate images with some noisy images&hellip;..Seems to be a strategy at work.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Speculation without evidence.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.&nbsp; The hall mark of conspiracy theorists everywhere.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">One must do research and not take everything at face value.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana"> </DIV></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Especially not claims of conspiracy and cover up.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Jon</span></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp; <p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Especially not claims of conspiracy and cover up.</span></p><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Jon</span> <br />Posted by jonclarke</DIV><br /><br />And on top of that, I truly don't see the benefit of sending a multi billion dollar satellite to Mars to take images and then to conceal their findings.&nbsp; The purpose of sending these probes to Mars is to find evidence of life, not to find evidence life and then conceal it.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>
 
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Arion

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Thanks for the links, this was quite interesting. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>One image says it all....The "Face" in full color.......http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Image_Processing/CYD272b.jpg <br />Posted by ks15</DIV><br /><br />Of course that's full manipulated color....</p><p>In case you haven't noticed, Mars' surface ain't blue.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Of course that's full manipulated color....In case you haven't noticed, Mars' surface ain't blue. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<span><p>No manipulations whatsoever&hellip;.</p><p>A quote &ldquo;In case you haven't noticed, Mars' surface ain't blue<font face="Times New Roman" size="3">.&rdquo;</font></p><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><p>This is equivalent as saying there are no Yellows, Reds, and Browns. This Blue represents a darker material reflecting Blue light&hellip;&hellip;The same reason the sky is Blue on Earth. The same reason the Oceans are Blue. The same reason the leaves on a tree are Green&hellip;.Green light being reflected&hellip;..</p><p>Not all of Mars has this Blue&hellip;..I have looked at other Mars Express Images showing no Blue.</p><p>The Visible Spectrum</p></font></font><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><p><u><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"><span>http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Image_Processing/VS.jpg</span></font></font></font></u></p></font></font></font></u></span><font face="Arial" size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span><p>Individual ranges (Colors detectable to the Eye):</p><p>Violet 380 - 450 nm </p><p>Blue 450 - 495 nm</p><p>Green 495 - 570 nm</p><p>Yellow 570 - 590 nm</p><p>Orange 590 - 620 nm</p><p>Red 620 - 750 nm</p><p>The Color range of the HRSC:</p><p>Violet to Yellow 395nm - 575nm Peak wavelengths at 440nm (Blue) and 530nm (Green)</p><p>Red 730nm - 770nm Peak wavelength at 750 nm</p><p>The HRSC individual filter ranges:</p><p>Blue filter: 395 - 485 nm (440nm +-45nm)</p><p>Green filter 485 - 575 nm (530nm +-45nm)</p><p>Red filter 730 - 770 nm (750nm +-20nm)</p><p>All these numbers show how close the human Eye and the HRSC compare. With the exception of Orange, and a limited range of Yellow and Red, Most of the color information is detectable by the HRSC.</p><p>&nbsp;</p></span></font></font>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>One image says it all....The "Face" in full color.......http://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Image_Processing/CYD272b.jpg Posted by ks15</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Why don't you put up a really nice, detailed image of "The Face" on your site which was taken with much more advanced equipment?&nbsp; I cropped one out of a huge jpeg2000 image just for this thread and posted a page or so ago</p><p><em>"...The 9kx9k pixel, 48meg cropped image of the Face is here: http://www.mediafire.com/?y2jdmx1ecn9 ..."</em></p><p>There you go.&nbsp; Put that on your website.</p><p>Or, would a detailed image of the formation of rock ruin the entire conspiracy theory you're wallowing in?&nbsp; Would you then have lost a valuable and somewhat self-defining portion of your life if you simply acknowledged you were wrong? </p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No manipulations whatsoever&hellip;.A quote &ldquo;In case you haven't noticed, Mars' surface ain't blue.&rdquo;This is equivalent as saying there are no Yellows, Reds, and Browns. This Blue represents a darker material reflecting Blue light&hellip;&hellip;</DIV></p><p>....</p><p>No. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The same reason the sky is Blue on Earth. The same reason the Oceans are Blue. The same reason the leaves on a tree are Green&hellip;.Green light being reflected&hellip;..Not all of Mars has this Blue&hellip;..I have looked at other Mars Express Images showing no Blue...Posted by ks15</DIV></p><p>Err.. Not exactly and, in some examples you cite, "wrong."</p><p>The sky isn't blue because it is reflecting blue light and neither, necessarily, is the ocean.&nbsp; The sky is blue due to a scattering effect (Rayleigh Scattering).&nbsp; The ocean can have several reasons why it is "blue" from anything to reflecting the sky to a similar scattering effect as that which makes the sky blue.&nbsp; Take the water out of the ocean and put it in your cupped hands. Is it blue? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That image is FALSE....... Posted by ks15</DIV></p><p>Ah, Denial. </p><p>Next will come Anger.</p><p>After that will come an attempt to Bargain with what's left of your fantasy as realization that you are wrong begins to sink in.</p><p>Then, unfortunately, will come Depression as you understand that there is no way to compromise with the inevitable disillusionment.</p><p>Afterwards, eventually you will Accept the truth and become the better for it.</p><p>It's OK.&nbsp; Not everyone can be right about everything.&nbsp; Otherwise, nothing would be engaging or interesting.&nbsp; We wouldn't be very creative and wouldn't be able to walk down paths less taken.&nbsp; So, in the end, it's OK that you are proved wrong.&nbsp; I certainly am not infallible and neither are you, so don't expect to be.&nbsp; When you're wrong, you're wrong.&nbsp; It's as simple as that.&nbsp; It's a heck of a lot better to have become interested in something and then proved wrong then to never have shown any interest at all. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p>I am quite <span>familiar&nbsp;with the&nbsp;scattering law....It is still blue light being reflected....</span></p><p><span>If you want to use the word scatter...fine</span></p>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>No manipulations whatsoever&hellip;.A quote &ldquo;In case you haven't noticed, Mars' surface ain't blue.&rdquo;This is equivalent as saying there are no Yellows, Reds, and Browns. This Blue represents a darker material reflecting Blue light&hellip;&hellip;The same reason the sky is Blue on Earth. The same reason the Oceans are Blue. The same reason the leaves on a tree are Green&hellip;.Green light being reflected&hellip;..Not all of Mars has this Blue&hellip;..I have looked at other Mars Express Images showing no Blue.The Visible Spectrumhttp://marsesa.9f.com/slide_shows/Image_Processing/VS.jpgIndividual ranges (Colors detectable to the Eye):Violet 380 - 450 nm Blue 450 - 495 nmGreen 495 - 570 nmYellow 570 - 590 nmOrange 590 - 620 nmRed 620 - 750 nmThe Color range of the HRSC:Violet to Yellow 395nm - 575nm Peak wavelengths at 440nm (Blue) and 530nm (Green)Red 730nm - 770nm Peak wavelength at 750 nmThe HRSC individual filter ranges:Blue filter: 395 - 485 nm (440nm +-45nm)Green filter 485 - 575 nm (530nm +-45nm)Red filter 730 - 770 nm (750nm +-20nm)All these numbers show how close the human Eye and the HRSC compare. With the exception of Orange, and a limited range of Yellow and Red, Most of the color information is detectable by the HRSC.&nbsp; <br />Posted by ks15</DIV></p><p>Yeah, we who understand imaging know all that. The question is, what factors have you used to create the image using the scales. What multiplicative factor for each filter's image?</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
 
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