Martians Worship Sun ! Tell NASA imbeciles...

[jatslo]

*sigh* - Jatslo OUT

 

[yevaud]

He has had innumerable chances, and failed the test, each and every time. All he ever does is look at grainy and corrupted pictures, says "this *IS* what this *IS*" and never explains any experimentation, evidence, or factual results.<br /><br />Opinion isn't science. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[extrasense]

CV ? You probably will never get it. Some never get it. Some never get to the fact that they never get it.<br /><br />You can be in school whole you life and remain fruitless obstacle to science and understanding.<br /><br />If you can not claim any discovery of your own, what makes you think that you can teach anybody how to discover? The ignorance.<br /><br />es<br />

 

[yevaud]

The arrogance.<br /><br />I note that you still have failed to state any of your antecedants. Yet another "classic" end-run by you around a direct question. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">You can be in school whole you life and remain fruitless obstacle to science and understanding. </font><br /><br />Uh-huh. <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Okay, we have broken English. Are you from Russia?

 

[yevaud]

<i>If you can not claim any discovery of your own, what makes you think that you can teach anybody how to discover? The ignorance.</i><br /><br />I'll go tell that to Takeshi, a PhD in Biochemistry I knew, who spent years performing Northern Blots for the CAB - so that Dr. Cassandra Smith and Dr. Charles Cantor could get their names in the books. But never, ever, got mentioned himself. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

You speak English very well, and I look forward to reviewing your updated pictures once they are released at the end of the month. Those rocks pose more questions than answers, and that is a fact. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />

 

[unlearningthemistakes]

giving up on ES??<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>pain is inevitable</p><p>suffering is optional </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

No, yevaud wore me out. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> I have homework today. Probability, and a research paper/presentation final, yuck. Then I have to get ready for the next research class, double yuck. I don't mind the research, but statistics and probabilities hurt my head.<br /><br />Do you find that rock set interesting?

 

[unlearningthemistakes]

honestly, I believe ES is making far too much assumption on that rock. He could have told us, without any other purpose, that -- that rock is suspiciously formed/has uncommon formation in comparison to earth, and I believe that would be a modest, tenable and respectable comment. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />I have nothing against him. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>pain is inevitable</p><p>suffering is optional </p> </div>

 

[jatslo]

Oh sure, there are caboodles of different ways of presenting a rock hypothesis, but there is nothing wrong with being silly. Say, what is a caboodle, anyway?

 

[yevaud]

The complement of a "Kit," of course. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[pgchelsea]

stevehw,<br /><br />Of what value was this last comment? <br /><br />I agree that ES's beliefs are rather wacky and unsubstantiated. Why don't you stick to attacking them instead of him?<br /><br />From lurking here for a while, I am amazed at how much you know and understand. I have learned much from you. <br /><br />However, your repartee is, at best, mediocre and, as you so often point out, this is really not the forum for ad hominems.<br /> <br />Respectfully<br />

 

[extrasense]

that hw33 was not repaired for a while, a lot of potholes<br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br />

 

[yevaud]

Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're fully stocked here. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[extrasense]

No doubt you mean yourself and hw33<br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br />

 

[telfrow]

<img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[detriech69]

You should all belong to a debate team. The fact that this thread has gone on for this long is proof that you all have way too much time of your hands. Students, right? I'm currently unemployed, but working on it. Nonsense that spawned this thread DOES belong in the phenomenon category since I don't see a fantasy/wishful thinking section. Mars may be a destination for manned missions someday. Until that becomes politically/financially and technically possible, we must suffer wild speculation ala "Face on Mars" crapology. Escape into a decent Mars Fantasy flick like 'War of the Worlds' or 'Mission to Mars'. Just know the difference between fantasy and what is reality.<br />I remember another planet in our system that someone thought had flying lizard people in the upper atmosphere to avoid being crushed at the surface. Venus, as I recall. Ridiculous, pre-school nonsense. When I was young I devoured cheap UFO books like candy, too. I've matured much since then. This person will too, let us hope.

 

[jatslo]

detriech69 said, "<font color="lavendar">You should all belong to a debate team.</font>"<br /><br />I enjoy debating; it's the funniest aspect in these boards; however, sometimes it's not very fun. I am a pretty good debater when I have time to pull in the resources, but lately, I find it difficult to find the time, so I mostly just deliberate. There are excellent debaters in these threads, far better than me, but you will need to seek them out on your own.<br /><br />"<font color="lavendar">The fact that this thread has gone on for this long is proof that you all have way too much time of your hands. Students, right? I'm currently unemployed, but working on it.</font>"<br /><br />I am currently a student, yes, and self-employed too. You do not need employment to seek a college education, you currently qualify for federal grants, and loans, which do not require actual repayment until you graduate. In other words, it's free! Research "University of Phoenix", and don't let the locality fool you, because they operate in most US States, and major US Cities.<br /><br />"<font color="lavendar">Nonsense that spawned this thread DOES belong in the phenomenon category since I don't see a fantasy/wishful thinking section.</font>"<br /><br />I can see where this initial post could be construed as a "Mars Phenomenon", but that is not really the argument to date. We started debating the validity of the subject matters appropriateness period, whereas, I think, the poster in this case has every right to draw his or her own conclusions without fear of hostile reprisals, i.e. (Calling someone stupid, or stating that they need psychiatric help, etc.) are all unacceptable to me, and I hope you would agree.<br /><br />"<font color="lavendar">Mars may be a destination for manned missions someday. Until that becomes politically/financially and technically possible, we must suffer wild speculation ala "Face on Mars" crapology. Escape into a decent Mars Fantasy flick like 'War of the Worlds' or 'Mission to Ma</font>

 

[najab]

><i>... the poster in this case has every right to draw his or her own conclusions without fear of hostile reprisals...</i><p>Ordinarily that is the case, however extrasense is anything but ordinary. He/she is probably the only poster known on almost every space/science web forum as a complete loony. If you don't believe me, just do a Google search!</p>

 

[jatslo]

najaB said, "<font color="gold">Ordinarily that is the case, however extrasense is anything but ordinary. He/she is probably the only poster known on almost every space/science web forum as a complete loony. If you don't believe me, just do a Google search!</font>"<br /><br />I have queried "extrasense", and the serial number assigned to the picture that was initially posted. However, what he or she does on other web sites around the world is irrelevant to this case. For example, you cannot punish someone for violating the TOS somewhere other than here. Try to query "Jatslo"; there are 300,000 plus references to me in MSN.com alone, but that hardly applies to what we are talking about now.<br /><br />In this case; extrasense posted a picture with a perception, and that is all he or she did. The first response accused extrasense of drinking alcohol. The second response called him stupid, and it doesn't get any better after that. extrasense traded blows a couple of times too, which is understandable under the circumstances.<br /><br />I noticed that mcbethcg opened a thread about a radioactive sphere orbiting a planet as an artificial sun. I consider that idea to be less likely that Mars Monolith's; in fact, I think that thread should be moved to science fiction. This thread is a great case study, and they is far more evidence against the others conduct than there is against extrasense; This doesn't mean that other threads might incriminate extrasense; it just means I am talking about this case in general.<br /><br />Come on Man, those rocks are very odd, even, metallic looking. I remember a time when NASA posted some kind of navigate software, in which the public were allowed to count craters within a space on Mars, so clearly NASA supports diverse people's analyzing the billions of pictures. Comets, for example, new comets use to be discovered in backyards of the world, before the larger computerized systems came online. extrasense is one of those backyard scientists, who one

 

[najab]

><i>However, what he or she does on other web sites around the world is irrelevant to this case.</i><p>If extrasense didn't already have a history here, I'd agree. There are only so many times that someone can post pictures of rocks, claiming that they are fossils, monuments, flowers, snakes, rodent-like creatures or machinery and expect to be greeted with anything other than hostility.<p>Extrasense passed that point a <b>long</b> time ago on SDC.</p></p>

 

[jatslo]

najaB said, "<i><font color="pink">If extrasense didn't already have a history here, I'd agree. There are only so many times that someone can post pictures of rocks, claiming that they are fossils, monuments, flowers, snakes, rodent-like creatures or machinery and expect to be greeted with anything other than hostility. extrasense passed that point a long time ago on SDC.</font></i>"<br /><br />Moderators are doing an excellent job under the circumstances, and I had my doubts about you, but you turned out just fine. Listen, if you suppress the craziest, or looniest ideas you risk everything. For example, a ten-year old will view this behavior as something to fear; therefore, that individual will likely not join, or post out of fear. This behavior is not typical of just 10-year olds. Everyone will succumb to this behavior; I, of course, am not blinded by politics.<br /><br />If I were to give any advise, I would advise readers to just be yourself; speak your mind how you see fit, because it is those craziest and/or looniest ideas that are the most innovative of them all. Innovation is what moves this world folks. Meaning, there is no such thing as a loony hypothesis, and contrary to what Yevaud said about "Hypothesis", hypothesis is just a loony idea that may or may not be substantiated and/or unsubstantiated.<br /><br />najaB - Trust me on this. If you could suppress the hostility, and/or redirect that hostility to ignorance, in which I am opposed to ignorance, then you will add value-added quality to these SDC boards. Quantity will surely follow. You are probably thinking that this will equate to more loons, and crackpots, but what is a loon or crackpot? Is that someone who believes in fire breathing dragons, or is that someone who believes that Egyptian Monolith's have roots on Mars?<br /><br />If we respond to these kids, similarly the way we are responding to each other, then these kids, and all diverse people's of the world will benefit from it. It is counter productive

 

[detriech69]

I haven't posted in a long time and this was the 2nd thread I came to after the million worlds thread. I guess being on the receiving end of skeptics myself many times in the past has kept me away or wore me down. One can retort/argue for only so long b4 giving up to live in the "real" world. My particular fascination with Faster Than Light space travel has caught a lot of flak from die-hard physics "experts". But as I used to say, non-dreamers never came up with anything new. So, I apoligize for ruffling anyones feathers. If you are a young person, please keep that sense of wonder and awe that kept me going for so long. I have grown into somewhat of a cynic, lately, but there is plenty of unknowns out there to discover. This planet isn't even fully explored, yet.