Mission to Mars

MeteorWayne · Oct 10, 2006

Has anyone seen this movie? I loved it. Plenty of ammo for the lunatic fringe, but to me it captured the fun part of what exploration can be. Science keeps getting in the way, but it's fun. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

mattblack · Oct 11, 2006

In my opinion, "Mission To Mars" could have been a very good movie, but if anyone watching it knows anything about science, it has too many glaring errors. A couple: After the meteor strike on the ship that causes, among other things, a fuel leak: they light the engines and it ignites a frozen blob of fuel drifting some distance behind the ship. This explodes and causes a shockwave that hits the ship. *There are no real shockwaves in a vacuum* During the EVA after abandoning the ship one Astro can't be rescued just meters away because they "ran out of fuel". When running out of propellant in zero g; you don't just 'stop'; you would continue to move until an opposite force stopped you. Here's a link with more: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0183523/goofs <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America CAN Afford it!! LEO is a Prison -- It's time for a JAILBREAK!! </div>

SpaceKiwi · Oct 11, 2006

As matt says, the faux science employed does detract from the movie but, on the whole, I did enjoy Mission To Mars. It was certainly a cut above Red Planet, which was released around the same time IIRC. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Who is this superhero? Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Bring Back The Black! </div>

mattblack · Oct 11, 2006

Mission To Mars was beautiful to look at, though. The cinematography and FX were excellent. Also, did you guys spot Story Musgrave's cameo in the space station sequence?! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America CAN Afford it!! LEO is a Prison -- It's time for a JAILBREAK!! </div>

mattblack · Oct 11, 2006

And this one: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/m2mreview.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> One Percent of Federal Funding For Space: America CAN Afford it!! LEO is a Prison -- It's time for a JAILBREAK!! </div>

spacefire · Oct 11, 2006

that movie was awful.... I remember when astronaut's Freeze fuel runs out, a display on his wrist or his wife's wrist shows "point of no return". That's the most retared thing a piece of equipment would ever display. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.comhttp://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 11, 2006

I agree, the boo boos were annoying, but IOAM <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> I just liked the concept. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

green_meklar · Oct 11, 2006

[uote]they light the engines and it ignites a frozen blob of fuel drifting some distance behind the ship. This explodes and causes a shockwave that hits the ship. *There are no real shockwaves in a vacuum*<hr /> Well, additionally, unless the fuel has its own oxidizer it would be necessary to also have some oxygen around. I haven't seen the movie, though, so I don't know what kind of fuel they're using. <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />I remember when astronaut's Freeze fuel runs out, a display on his wrist or his wife's wrist shows "point of no return". That's the most retared thing a piece of equipment would ever display.<hr /></blockquote> No kidding! XD <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ________________Repent! Repent! The technological singularity is coming! </div>

qso1 · Oct 12, 2006

I liked the movie but it would be nice to see one based as much as possible on the real science and what mars actually appears to be. Mission to Mars is one of those movies where I just set aside the flaws and watch it for the fun of it. Even Apollo 13 had some flaws, and that one was about realistic spaceflight. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

spacefire · Oct 12, 2006

but Apollo 13 was not a boring piece of crap with a stupid plot.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.comhttp://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </div>

bdewoody · Oct 12, 2006

I bet it wasn't boring to the three astronauts that had to live through it. (The actual event, not the movie) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Bob DeWoody </div>

spacefire · Oct 12, 2006

mmm what? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.comhttp://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </div>

bdewoody · Oct 12, 2006

Ooops I scanned your post too fast.

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spacefire · Oct 12, 2006

I see...you thought I said Apollo 13 sucked...which is far from truth <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.comhttp://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </div>

MeteorWayne · Oct 12, 2006

In fact it leaked {turn on morbid humor filter} {turn off mormid humor filter} Rats, missed it <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

PistolPete · Oct 12, 2006

What really gets me about movies like Mission to Mars, Armageddon, et. al. is that you could make any of those movies scientifically accurate and it wouldn't take away from the plot. In fact, many times it would enhance it. This is scientific proof that Hollywood is filled with idiots (in case you were wondering why good Sci-Fi shows like Firefly get canceled). <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai </div>

qso1 · Oct 13, 2006

I agree 100% there. I see no reason for such outrageous antics in space movies except that most producers assume and probably rightly so, that audiences do not want to see real space. They want to see the mythical space devised in Hollywood. 2001 a space odyssey tried the real space route (IE...no sounds) but even it turned into more of a DSL...er...LSD trip than real spaceflight. Yep...DSL is LSD backwards, now thats a trip! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> My borrowed quote for the time being:There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened. </div>

ordinary_guy · Oct 13, 2006

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />What really gets me about movies like Mission to Mars, Armageddon, et. al. is that you could make any of those movies scientifically accurate and it wouldn't take away from the plot. In fact, many times it would enhance it. <hr /></blockquote> I think qso is on the right track... You could make a plot dramatic even if stuck to real science... but it usually wouldn't look as dramatic -- no pyrotechnics, no diving just ahead of the shockwave, no sexy kiss at the end (...seriously, do want to see Gene Kranz kiss anybody in Mission Control?). Worst part: the audience wouldn't get it unless you explained it to them. Then they walk out muttering and the critics blow open the film for trying to cram a training video into a bit of escapism... Now, it's theoretically possible that you could get the best of both worlds, but... that would require hiring scientifically literate writers. Most good science writers are terrible dramatic writers. Most good drama writers are scientific nincompoops. You can hire advisers (and I think they did), but the director is always going to assume there is room for dramatic license. IIRC, though, this movie had at least one great line. It went something like: I didn't come 650 million miles only to stop the last 50 feet. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Mere precedent is a dangerous source of authority. -Andrew Jackson (1767-1845) </div>

Kalstang · Oct 13, 2006

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />What really gets me about movies like Mission to Mars, Armageddon, et. al. is that you could make any of those movies scientifically accurate and it wouldn't take away from the plot. In fact, many times it would enhance it. This is scientific proof that Hollywood is filled with idiots (in case you were wondering why good Sci-Fi shows like Firefly get canceled). <hr /></blockquote> Actually you would be surprised how much they know. Might not be scientific in the sense that you mean but... Thier science isnt in the science. Its in the field of selling. Thier buisness is selling what people want, entertainment. Not facts. To many facts are just too boring and detract from things. This is of course what the general mass populace wants. What you or I like maybe one thing, but what several other people down the road likes is two totally different things. I know when I sit down to watch a movie I dont look for weather or not it can be actually done. I look for relaxation. I know its all fake. THAT is what the movie is suppose to be about. Something that is not of this world. (when it comes to space movies of course). I would imagine that 50 years from now when (if) we're flying to the moons of saturn Hollywood will find other ways to make movies that dont seem possible in the real world. And I wont mind it a bit. I like my space movies to be non-factual. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. "Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~ Guns dont kill people. People kill people.Solar System </div>

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