mystery rock

[silylene old]

I don't think 'flaming' is ever appropriate. One does not have to be mean or arrogant or nasty to make a point. Much more is learned, communicated or taught when we behave with enthusiasm, curiosity, encouragement, kind thoughtful questions, and patience. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[kellygirl29]

Thank you Silyene and Bonzelite for your tactfullness. Sorry to everyone who heard my wrath on Steve, He is just so close minded and mean and he makes me angry with his abrasive and thoughtless replys. Silyene, If I could hold my rock right now to do the heat conducter test I would, but I cant because its presently not here.

 

[bonzelite]

another axiom: when all else fails, kill them with kindness.<br /><br />

 

[kellygirl29]

My neighbor is the one who took the pictures of my rock and sent them to my email. I forgot about one of the pictures and found it today. Its a view from the bottom.

 

[dgm1]

<font color="yellow">" <br /><br />DGM1, we are quite aware of your unlearned opinions. Amber is a mineral. It's fossilised tree sap. "</font><br /><br /> Okay mr Wizard, what does this say of your superior and learned opinions? - -<br /><br /> <b> Amber is a fossilized resin, not tree sap. Sap is the fluid that circulates through a plant's vascular system, while resin is the semi-solid amorphous organic substance secreted in pockets and canals through epithelial cells of the plant. Land plant resins are complex mixtures of mono-, sesqui-, di-, and triterpenoids, which have structures based on linked isoprene C5H8 units (Langenheim, 1969, p. 1157). Volatile terpenoid fractions in resins evaporate and dissipate under natural forest conditions, leaving nonvolatile terpenoid fractions to become fossilized if they are stable enough to withstand degradation and depositional conditions. The fossil resin becomes incorporated into sediments and soils, which over millions of years change into rock such as shale and sandstone. <br />Therefore, amber is formed as a result of the fossilization of resin that that takes millions of years and involves a progressive oxidation and polymerization of the original organic compounds, oxygenated hydrocarbons. Although a specific time interval has not been established for this process, the majority of amber is found within Cretaceous and Tertiary sedimentary rocks(approximately 30-90 million years old). </b><br /><br /> Then there is this, which really shows your knowledge is stunning....<br /> <font color="yellow"><b>A mineral is a naturally occurring homogeneous solid with a definite chemical composition and ordered crystalline structure. It is usually of an inorganic origin. </b></font> Amber is not a mineral, because it has an organic origin and amorphous structure (no orderly internal arrangement of atoms). <font color="yellow">Find out more about amber's physical properties below. Information is available on a young resinous</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[chew_on_this]

Steve, the policeman of scientific exactitude???? Good god, that's the best belly laugh I've had in a week!

 

[jatslo]

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[yevaud]

Ahh, you're just jealous because you don't have your own title. <br /><br />Someday, remind me to tell you about Yales. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[dgm1]

<font color="yellow">"Many people get pissy with him, but one closer reflection, it's because their science is weak, shoddy, or nonexistant. In short, they don't like him telling them "boy, this is just plain guesswork. Try again." </font><br /><br /> I wonder if he holds his own "guesswork" up to the same scrutiny. I am sure he will have good excuses for his response to my post when he was clearly operating on his own geusswork. The fact that his comments were more fallacious than mine will be overlooked I am sure.<br /> People get pissy with him because of 'how' he is. Not 'who' or 'what' he is.<br /><br /> And I remember Yales. THere is no comparison to be made here though. <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Oh, I don't know about that. Yales could be quite blunt and go right after you (I still talk to him, here and there).<br /><br />As far as Steve's own work, you'll have to ask him. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[dgm1]

Yes he did. With the distinction of knowing what he was talking about.<br /> And I have no need of asking Steve about his own work actually. I just recently witnessed a prime example of it. Remarkable wouldn't you say?<br /><br /><b> Back on topic. </b><br /> That last picture looks more like glass than anything so far. So much so that Ican hear the sound it wolud make when tossed onto a hard surface. If it is not glass it is going to surprise me quite a bit. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[yevaud]

It's odd. It has the appearance at times of glass slag, and then others, it's positively quartz-like. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[dgm1]

Kelly I am afraid that you make far too many assumptions. You can't guess at every possible characteristic a material can exhibit so you can't rule it out just because of a very narrow set of criteria.<br /> Seriously, you need to listen to what is offered on here and speculate with the rest of us until it is positively ID'd by someone with the needed expertise. <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[kellygirl29]

Assumptions are all we can make until we know what it is. I guess you would just have to see it in person and feel it with your own hands to know it is possitively not glass. Seriously. Now that I have been reading up on minerals, I do know that it has a crystalline structure and glass doesnt. You just cant tell from the pictures I posted because of the angles they were taken in to best show you the inclusions. Im gonna go next door and see if my neighboor still has some of the ones that I threw in my email trash because at the time I didnt know diddly squat about minerals and I need yall to see an picture of an angle of how the top of it looks. I'll see if I can find one and post it.

 

[dgm1]

Can you resize your photos so they don't stretch out the page like they do? It makes it annoying to try to read. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[kellygirl29]

Im sorry. If I knew how I would.

 

[kellygirl29]

To tell you the truth, The only reason Im online is so I can play texas holdem tournaments. I only searched the web about my rock because I needed ouside help.

 

[dgm1]

Don't worry, I don't know how either. Some people do it right on here though.<br /> You play hold'em? For real money? I play two or three nights a week. Real money and in homes or tournaments. I just played last night with about 14 guys (and girls) Monday i was in a tournament with about 115 entrants. I went out at about the 20th player spot. <br /> One of our regular players just won a big tourney in PA that won him a seat in Vegas at the WSOP. He is pumped but hoping not to cross any of the big players early. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[chew_on_this]

What title does steve have? /* deleted */

 

[yevaud]

I suppose that would be between you and him, wouldn't it? All I was doing was trying to explain a bit to Kelly, since she was put off by it all.<br /><br />***/ remainder of post deleted / *** <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

I might also add, damned if *you* or anyone else provided any explanation whatsoever. You were just content to sit there and let her stew. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[dgm1]

Steve33's behavior is more of a reason behind people leaving than anything else on here. New people walk into that sort of sniping ignorance and turn right around and never return. Meanwhile, smug Mr. Oopsthoughtikneweverything waits for the next unsuspecting new visitor to trample in an attempt to prove his mistaken superiority.<br /> Fortunately this time he provided proof of his superiority so everyone could see his vast knowledge in action. Uh-huh. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[silylene old]

<font color="yellow">damned if *you* or <b>anyone</b> else provided any explanation whatsoever</font><br /><br />Yevaud, I fully understand your frustration with some people's behavior. However, several of us were quite respectful, helpful and kind in our questions and opinions. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><em><font color="#0000ff">- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</font></em> </div><div class="Discussion_UserSignature" align="center"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function.</em></font> </div> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Well, that's his affair, not mine. I'm neither responsible for his actions or his (or anyone else's) fallibility. All I did was try to explain to Kelly *why* he does what he does, from his point of view, and that's all.<br /><br />And my pissy tirade against Chew is due to the all-too-familiar "if you can't get your hands on the target, attack anyone who seems to support them in any way" (which is to say, he is not the only one who has done this). It's an assault-by-proxy.<br /><br />If I have an issue with someone, I go to them directly. Not making an end run around them, sniping at them from a "safe" distance.<br /><br />That's all, really. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Yes, I know you were. Not what I meant. (see above, where I just explained myself) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>