<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Where is the video of the first launch first stage shutting down and the vehicle impacting the island and where is the video of the 2nd flight second stage shutting down?<br /><br />Not available because it has been shutdown which is censoring.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Where is the value in seeing that on video? They admitted to the failures in writing. Video costs money. No censorship. Actually you may be confusing Public Relations with communist style censorship....not the same. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font color="#0000ff"><em>"SCE to AUX" - John Aaron, curiosity pays off</em></font></p> </div>
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Double superduper secret video of Falcon 1 maiden flight crashing. <br /><br /> On Board Rocket Camera <br /><br />Shhh, don't tell anybody that SpaceX has this video on their website!!! <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>
"Not so, they shut down the video once a problem developed. "<br /><br />They showed it through first stage shutdown, showed the first stage impacting the 2nd stage rocket nozzle, and showed the increasing oscillations in attitude during second stage flight.<br /><br />It seems likely that the video feed was lost because the attitude fluctuations caused the signal to be lost becaause of interference from the rocket body.<br /><br />I (and many others here on SDC) watched the whole thing live.<br /><br />Are you calling us all liars Jim?<br /><br />Maybe you should watch the next launch live like the rest of us. You might learn something. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
Here's my comment on the live webcast<br />"Circular cyclic rotation, and VERY hot engine housings before webcast was lost... "<br /><br />From this thread, which is live play by play by the SDC community <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
In fact, I have nominated the Falcon 1.1 (Launch 2) threads for archiving.<br /><br />To vote, see the archiving thread in S&A.<br /><br />MW <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
1. There is more video than what was shown on the net. It had nothing to attitude fluctuations or interference from the rocket body. The internet broadcast was intentionally cutoff. The "missing" video shows the engine cutoff and tumbling (more than just the roll)<br />2. Where are the gound video of the "whole" 1st launch? Many were taken.
And you know the internet video was intentionally cutoff how?<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
<font color="yellow"> There is more video than what was shown on the net. </font><br /><br /><font color="blue"> And you know the internet video was intentionally cutoff how? </font><br /><br />He can't know that it was intentionally cutoff, he just wants to appear like he has inside info.<br /><br />The statement from SpaceX on March 27, 2007 said;<br /><br />Telemetry shows that engine shutdown occurred only about a minute and a half before schedule (roughly T + 7.5 mins), due to the oscillations causing propellant to slosh away from the sump. When the liquid level in the tank was low, this effectively starved the engine of propellant. A disproportionate amount of the velocity gain occurs in the final few minutes of flight, when the stage is very light, which is why the velocity difference is greater than just linearly subtracting 1.5 mins from the burn time.<br /><br />Except for a few blips here and there, we have now cleaned up the raw data feed and recovered video and telemetry for the entire mission well past 2nd stage shutdown. Including all the launch pad video and ground support equipment data, we have somewhere close to a terabyte of information to review. This was far too much to send over the T1 satellite link from Kwaj and had to be brought over in person after the flight.<br /><br />SpaceX is very open about what they got right & what they got wrong. If you want info, all you need to do is go to their website.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>
Exactly, they had said immediately after that it would take some time to reconstruct the data they were recieving because of the oscillations causing problems with the datalink. After that they recovered alot more data then they had expected to. But the data did require reconstruction to be useable, which is why the live video feed ended. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font size="2" color="#0000ff">""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein"</font></p> </div>
Cheers for the update docm<br /><br />]http://www.spacex.com/00Graphics/Videos/VTS1-323%20SMALL.mov[/url]<br /><br />Now how cool is this?! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
Of course you do.<br />But apparently you never watched the video available to the public.<br />Perhaps you should to increase your awareness.<br /><br />Well the first 5:01, which includes the increasing oscillations (part of the failure) is available<br /> here (Big 39.5 MB) <br /><br />A lower resolution version 6.24 MB is available here <br /><br />Doesn't seem like they're hiding anything to me.<br /><br />Oh, and here is the analysis of the flight <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
<font color="yellow">Now how cool is this?!</font><br /><br />Pretty cool <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br />Corrected link to video.... <br /><br /><font color="yellow">MW
erhaps you should to increase your awareness.</font><br /><br />Of this <i>and</i> the need for robosurgery <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
erhaps you should to increase your awareness.</font><br /><br />Of this <i>and</i> the need for robosurgery <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>docm's link is a Quicktime link, my links seem to work in Wondoz media.<br /><br />Whatever works.<br /><br />The point is if you go to the SpaceX site here anyone can see the first 5 minutes. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
Seen that video many times.<br /><br />I guess you haven't seen the video on Youtube that goes past T+ 5 minutes where the picture spins 360 degrees. That was "hidden" and is not posted on spacex website<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by-iwbgkaIA<br /><br />
Which goes 14 seconds later, and just shows contnuing degredation of the fault.<br />Tell you what, even though I'm not a journalist, I'm going to write to them to ask the question of why the extended video is not there.<br /><br />Wonder if you bothered to do that?<br /><br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
<font color="yellow">I guess you haven't seen the video on Youtube that goes past T+ 5....blah blah....</font><br /><br />Seen it. This doesn't add much to the argument since we knew the 2nd stage failed, we had lots of informed speculation as to why that made sense in real time and it tumbling after oscillations like that are about as surprising as this whole drawn out 'debate' over nothing of consequence. <br /><br />IMO it's the SDC version of "Seinfeld" <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
Please prove they "cut the feed" and it was not the data receiver rate was below what could sustain a live webcast.<br /><br />Prove, as you assert, they cut the feed.<br /><br />"I know so" will not suffice. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>
Explain the Youtube video vs the live video on the net <br /><br />There was much more video <br /><br />"I know so" IS good enough. I am fortunate to get more insight than Joe Public. Either believe me or remain ignorant.
All the bloody info that spacex has given us an he's complaining about a few seconds of video.... Spacex has absolutely no requirement to be anywhere near as open with information as they are, its actually a rarity in corporate culture these days to have as much insight as they give us, yet, as always, its not up to his standards, to which I say, who cares, we know he'll complain about it anyway, time to simply ignore him. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><font size="2" color="#0000ff">""Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein"</font></p> </div>
<font color="yellow"> "I know so" IS good enough. I am fortunate to get more insight than Joe Public. Either believe me or remain ignorant. </font><br /><br />BS, your claims have become laughable. You don't know any more than the average poster here, you just act as though you do. The video on YouTube is what we saw on launch day. We all saw it start to spin & many of us commented on it. Your inside info is exactly the same as what can be read on their website. <br />I don't believe you & I am as equally informed. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#993300"><span class="body"><font size="2" color="#3366ff"><div align="center">. </div><div align="center">Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty & the pig likes it.</div></font></span></font> </div>
Wow, wish I had read this thread earlier, I've been missing all the fun <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------- </p><p>Wanna see this site looking like the old SDC uplink?</p><p>Go here to see how: <strong>SDC Eye saver </strong> </p> </div>
"You don't know any more than the average poster here, you just act as though you do. "<br /><br />Keeping thinking that if it helps you sleep.<br /><br />You have no idea what I know and do, but one thing is for sure it is more than you.<br /><br />1. Have read the "real" 1st flight accident report?<br />2. Are you involved in COTS?<br />3. Have you toured the spacex plant?
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