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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Ok guys, I know I said I wouldn't read any, but I just read the latest posts in the Pari Spolter thread here.A new member, screen name "Trumptor" has made some posts with a valiant attempt at challenging Mr Lear. Seems Mr Lear would like Trumptor to read the entire Pari Spolter book first, before challenging him. Trumptor has [understandably, imo,] raised an objection to that ...&nbsp;Perhaps Trumptor will be our guinea pig here, to see what punishment, if any, is meted out on him for daring to question the edicts put out by the Emperor of the JL Local Group&nbsp; ... <br />Posted by Smersh</DIV></p><p>Somebody needs to keep an eye on Trumptor.&nbsp; If he reads that&nbsp;whole thing&nbsp;his brain might turn to mush.&nbsp; Look what it did to Lear.&nbsp; <br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p>A frequently stated boundary condition for understanding new, "against the mainstream" ideas is to disregard everything you think you know, and approach the material with an "open" mind, refraining from judging it until you can judge as a whole "holistic" package.</p><p>You must open your mind to the new ideas.</p><p>Breath in, breath out, wax on, wax off.</p><p>&nbsp;Big&nbsp;&nbsp; ;)</p><p>Wayne</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Ok guys, I know I said I wouldn't read any, but I just read the latest posts in the Pari Spolter thread here.A new member, screen name "Trumptor" has made some posts with a valiant attempt at challenging Mr Lear. Seems Mr Lear would like Trumptor to read the entire Pari Spolter book first, before challenging him. Trumptor has [understandably, imo,] raised an objection to that ...&nbsp;Perhaps Trumptor will be our guinea pig here, to see what punishment, if any, is meted out on him for daring to question the edicts put out by the Emperor of the JL Local Group&nbsp; ... <br />Posted by Smersh</DIV></p><p>I picked this up over THERE:</p><p><br /><font size="2">"Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation has been proven wrong by Pari Spolter. The gravitational force of a planet is its acceleration times the area of a circle the radius of which is the mean distance between that planet and the sun. So that makes the gravitational constant invalid because mass/density has nothing to do with gravity."</font></p><p><font size="1">Does anyone even know what this is supposed to mean ?&nbsp; What is "its acceleration"?&nbsp; I suppose it could mean the centrepital acceleration due to the orbit about the sun.&nbsp; In that case the gravitational force, call it g would be given by g = omega^2*pi*R^3 where omega is the angular velocity of the planet about the Sun, and R is the radius of the orbit, which I take to be circular for simplicity.&nbsp; Note that according to Kepler's third law, omega^2 is proportional to R^3.&nbsp; So among the planets g would be proportional to R^6.&nbsp; Also note that the force is independent of the distance between the planet and the object on which the force is exerted.&nbsp; So if this were true we would all be sucked off towards Pluto -- good thing that Pluto is no longer a planet.</font></p><p><font size="1">Or perhaps "its acceleration" is g itself.&nbsp; In that case you have g = g * pi * R^2.&nbsp; So either g=0 or R = sqrt(1/pi) for all planets.&nbsp; If g=0 then there is nothing holding anything together.&nbsp; If R is the same for all planets then this old orbit is getting pretty crowded.</font></p><p><font size="1">I can think of no other possible interpretations of their formula.</font></p><p><font size="1">If you would like to use this argument over THERE feel free to do so.&nbsp; But you are arguing with lunatics so I think it will do little good.</font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> ... If you would like to use this argument over THERE feel free to do so.&nbsp; But you are arguing with lunatics so I think it will do little good. <br /> Posted by DrRocket</DIV></p><p>Thanks Doc. Maybe I'll see what happens with Trumptor first <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <h1 style="margin:0pt;font-size:12px">----------------------------------------------------- </h1><p><font color="#800000"><em>Lady Nancy Astor: "Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea."<br />Churchill: "Nancy, if you were my wife, I'd drink it."</em></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Website / forums </strong></font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>A frequently stated boundary condition for understanding new, "against the mainstream" ideas is to disregard everything you think you know, and approach the material with an "open" mind, refraining from judging it until you can judge as a whole "holistic" package.You must open your mind to the new ideas.Breath in, breath out, wax on, wax off.&nbsp;Big&nbsp;&nbsp; ;)Wayne <br />Posted by drwayne</DIV></p><p>If it looks like a turd and smells like a turd, it is a turd.&nbsp; Breathing in deeply may not be a good idea. ;-)<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I picked this up over THERE .... Posted by <strong>DrRocket</strong></DIV></p><p>Well be sure to wash your hands then !</p><p>Seriously I don't know what new physics Ms Sploter is spouting. It sounds like she's just restating Kepler's laws in another form.&nbsp; If I could find her stupid book for $5 or less I'd buy it just for the giggle factor.&nbsp; There was something of an explanation in a post over at ATS (I've lost the link)&nbsp;but it sounded like not only is Newtonian gravity wrong but all of Newtonian mechanics perhaps ??? Some pieces ...</p><p><em>It is not force that is equal to mass times acceleration, but weight.</em> </p><p>Errr, OK.&nbsp; And these gems ...</p><p><em>Her equation for linear force is F = a.d (acceleration times distance). Her equation for circular force is the one given above: F = a.A. Using this equation, the gravitational force of the sun is found to be 4.16 x 1020 ms-2m2. This quantity is constant for all the planets, asteroids, and artificial satellites orbiting the sun, and is independent of the mass of the attracted body.</em> </p><p><em>... where a is the acceleration and A is the area of a circle with a radius (r) equal to the semimajor axis of revolution of the planet, moon, etc. in question (i.e. its average distance from the body it orbits).</em></p><p>W/o the book to put the above into some context, it reads as so much gibbersh to me.&nbsp; Is she saying we have linear and circular gravity forces ?&nbsp; What about elliptical orbits ?&nbsp; Does F=MA still apply for non-gravitational forces ? </p><p>I wonder if Ms Spolter's equations work when M1 >> m2 isn't true ? That is&nbsp;when there's a noticable difference between the barycenter and the center of the more massive body.&nbsp; One also wonder's if her physics handles Mercury's orbit correctly.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well be sure to wash your hands then !Seriously I don't know what new physics Ms Sploter is spouting. It sounds like she's just restating Kepler's laws in another form.&nbsp; If I could find her stupid book for $5 or less I'd buy it just for the giggle factor.&nbsp; There was something of an explanation in a post over at ATS (I've lost the link)&nbsp;but it sounded like not only is Newtonian gravity wrong but all of Newtonian mechanics perhaps ??? Some pieces ...It is not force that is equal to mass times acceleration, but weight. Errr, OK.&nbsp; And these gems ...Her equation for linear force is F = a.d (acceleration times distance). Her equation for circular force is the one given above: F = a.A. Using this equation, the gravitational force of the sun is found to be 4.16 x 1020 ms-2m2. This quantity is constant for all the planets, asteroids, and artificial satellites orbiting the sun, and is independent of the mass of the attracted body. ... where a is the acceleration and A is the area of a circle with a radius (r) equal to the semimajor axis of revolution of the planet, moon, etc. in question (i.e. its average distance from the body it orbits).W/o the book to put the above into some context, it reads as so much gibbersh to me.&nbsp; Is she saying we have linear and circular gravity forces ?&nbsp; What about elliptical orbits ?&nbsp; Does F=MA still apply for non-gravitational forces ? I wonder if Ms Spolter's equations work when M1 >> m2 isn't true ? That is&nbsp;when there's a noticable difference between the barycenter and the center of the more massive body.&nbsp; One also wonder's if her physics handles Mercury's orbit correctly.&nbsp; <br />Posted by mee_n_mac</DIV></p><p>I can find a used copy for $59.96 plus shipping,&nbsp; That is $56.90 more than I am willing to pay, including shipping.&nbsp; Or you can have a new one for $107.93 plus shipping.&nbsp; Even if I had one I think I would have to keep it away from my other books -- they are a bit snobbish towards outsiders of this ilk.<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well be sure to wash your hands then !Seriously I don't know what new physics Ms Sploter is spouting. It sounds like she's just restating Kepler's laws in another form.&nbsp; If I could find her stupid book for $5 or less I'd buy it just for the giggle factor.&nbsp; There was something of an explanation in a post over at ATS (I've lost the link)&nbsp;but it sounded like not only is Newtonian gravity wrong but all of Newtonian mechanics perhaps ??? Some pieces ...It is not force that is equal to mass times acceleration, but weight. Errr, OK.&nbsp; And these gems ...Her equation for linear force is F = a.d (acceleration times distance). Her equation for circular force is the one given above: F = a.A. Using this equation, the gravitational force of the sun is found to be 4.16 x 1020 ms-2m2. This quantity is constant for all the planets, asteroids, and artificial satellites orbiting the sun, and is independent of the mass of the attracted body. ... where a is the acceleration and A is the area of a circle with a radius (r) equal to the semimajor axis of revolution of the planet, moon, etc. in question (i.e. its average distance from the body it orbits).W/o the book to put the above into some context, it reads as so much gibbersh to me.&nbsp; Is she saying we have linear and circular gravity forces ?&nbsp; What about elliptical orbits ?&nbsp; Does F=MA still apply for non-gravitational forces ? I wonder if Ms Spolter's equations work when M1 >> m2 isn't true ? That is&nbsp;when there's a noticable difference between the barycenter and the center of the more massive body.&nbsp; One also wonder's if her physics handles Mercury's orbit correctly.&nbsp; <br />Posted by mee_n_mac</DIV></p><p>That reminds me of someone who used to post here several years ago.&nbsp; Insisted that all of classical mechanics was wrong, and, *surprise*, NASA is covering it up.</p><p>Wayne<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>That reminds me of someone who used to post here several years ago.&nbsp; Insisted that all of classical mechanics was wrong, and, *surprise*, NASA is covering it up.Wayne <br />Posted by drwayne</DIV></p><p>It ought to be a dead giveaway when the contention is that NASA is covering up anything.&nbsp; NASA is not all that good at keeping secrets.&nbsp; They don't usually deal in secrets in the first place.&nbsp; I can only recall one "oops" e-mail, not really a big deal, but it was from NASA.&nbsp; And given that most NASA work is actually done by contractors, I don't know&nbsp; how NASA would really go about covering anything up.</p><p>Besides that, a goodly chunk of the NASA budget goes to publicize things.&nbsp; These guy are not exactly the NSA or NRO. Talk about loose lips !&nbsp; NASA TV, NASA Tech Reports, NASA customized web sites, .....</p><p>Besides if it was something like classical mechanics that was all wrong, I would think that all of the satellites falling from the sky would provide a hint.</p><p><br /><br />&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Besides if it was something like classical mechanics that was all wrong, I would think that all of the satellites falling from the sky would provide a hint.&nbsp; <br />Posted by <strong>DrRocket</strong></DIV><br /><br />Satellites,&nbsp; what satellites ?&nbsp; You mean the holograms projected into space .... <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>
 
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<p>Another update from JL in the pari spolter thread....</p><p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font size="2">Fourth while the sun is not artificial it is neither a nuclear reactor or nuclear generated. The sun is an electromagnetic sphere.<br /><br />Oh, I didn't know whether or not you were aware of it but the sun is pregnant and no, I don't know when she is due.</DIV></font></p><p><font size="2">Now personally I thought that he was jokeing around there...until I came across another post after I read the above....He was replying to trumptor....</font></p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font size="2"><strong>Quote: </strong><font size="2">I think I may just take your advice and actually read the book so I understand what you're implying.</font></font></p><p><br />There is nothing about the sun being pregnant in Ms. Spolter's book.Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'></p><p>Ya know, I'm sorry smersh but I don't think I'll be reading any more over there, at least not in that section of those forums...I can literally feel my IQ dropping just opening the page....And it's not a good feeling. I might still, don't know...sometimes my morbid curiosity gets the better of me. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif" border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font color="#ffff00"><p><font color="#3366ff">I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer.</font> <br /><font color="#ff0000">"Imagination is more important then Knowledge" ~Albert Einstien~</font> <br /><font color="#cc99ff">Guns dont kill people. People kill people</font>.</p></font><p><font color="#ff6600">Solar System</font></p> </div>
 
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<p>HAI GUYZ! WUTS GWING ON EN DIS THRED?!</p><p><ahem></p><p>Ah, the "Open Minds" forum.&nbsp; I actually went there, once, and could physically feel individual neurons being ripped from their strata and being sucked into the vacuum of "teh interwebz."&nbsp; Luckily, I had a few spares so I was able to safely click "Run Away" before suffering any long-term damage.</p><p>Now, there are some people, a very few, that have posted there which have made good, high quality posts and take their particular fascination with "whatever" very seriously but aren't above criticism and close inspection.&nbsp; However, I take it that's not what we're dealing with here...</p><p>The problem with having an Open Mind is that it's very easy to let just anything fall in there..</p><p>Ah.. John Lear...&nbsp; <ahem>&nbsp; All I can say in answer to that is.. Bob Lazaar. </p><p>In regards to whatever claim Lear is making about the Moon, here is the short answer "He doesn't know WTF he is talking about."</p><p>In regards to whatever claim Lear is making about the Moon, here is the long answer "He doesn't know WTF he is talking about."</p><p>Glad we could clear that up.&nbsp;</p><p>I haven't visited the thread in question.&nbsp; I don't see the need to go stomping around on someone's home turf just to be surrounded by tens of worshipping woowoo fans who have latched onto a personality in hopes of explaining why they still have monsters under their bed at age 40.&nbsp; However, I am sure that whatever points have been made by those SDC'ers participating in such a discussion have been done with enough accuracy and attention to detail as to be irrefutable evidence of the woowoo's ineptitude or misunderstanding of the characterisitics of physical law or solid evidence that a hoax is being committed on uneducated and/or ill-informed people for the personal gain of the perpetrator.</p><p>Concerning Lear's aviation history, in case anyone tries to bring that up as some sort of supporting point - It's great that someone has the education and ability to become a well-certified pilot and aviation specialist.&nbsp; However, would you rather have them driving the bus than the bus-driver?&nbsp; I don't think so.&nbsp; The only thing Aviation has in common with Space and/or the Moon is that he might have spent a few more hours closer to either than other people.. but obviously didn't learn anything from that experience.</p><p>A couple of questions, real quick.&nbsp; What the heck is F=A(a)?&nbsp; The only "Force/Area" combinations that I know of have to do with pressure on containment vessels/etc.&nbsp; Who's cockamamey equation is that?&nbsp; I have a spongy stressball on my desk.&nbsp; I will throw it at the wall.&nbsp; Just a sec.. .. .. OK, done.&nbsp; Equation invalidated.. moving on now..</p><p>I'll try to catchup on the latest happenings in this thread.&nbsp; If anything, it should be entertaining.&nbsp;</p><p>A word of caution: I have always cautioned against "Forum Wars."&nbsp; I'll do so again.&nbsp; Forum Wars are bad.&nbsp; There, obligatory anti-forum-war statement completed. I now return you to your previously scheduled programming.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>///.&nbsp; What the heck is F=A(a)?&nbsp; The only "Force/Area" combinations that I know of have to do with pressure on containment vessels/etc.&nbsp; Who's cockamamey equation is that?&nbsp;..Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>Why, that is the correct equation for classical mechanics, replacing the outmoded F = ma.&nbsp; You really must be behind the times.&nbsp; Still thinking for yourself ?&nbsp; How uncool.</p><p>What you missed is that the lunies have completely dumped Newtonian gravity and mechanics.&nbsp; Logic will do you no good in dealing with them.&nbsp; Apparently a complete wacko by the name of Pari Spollter has written a book called <em>Gravitational Force of the Sun</em> "disproving" Newtonian mechanics.&nbsp; <br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Welp it looks like John isn't leaving after all... <br />Posted by Kalstang</DIV><br /><br />I followed one of the links to the OM board and then noticed that Kalstang and Smersh stopped posting in that thread and that JL started posting pics again and debate had ended - how sad.</p><p>It is quite obvious that debate is not what they want, they just want everybody to agree with them and bow to the mighty John Lear.&nbsp; <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif" border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" /></p><p>What a bunch of loons.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em><font size="1" color="#000080">Don't let who you are keep you from becoming who you want to be!</font></em></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Apparently a complete wacko by the name of Pari Spollter has written a book called Gravitational Force of the Sun "disproving" Newtonian mechanics.&nbsp; Posted by DrRocket</DIV></p><p>Newton is going to be pissed and all those publishers and colleges are going to want their money back.</p><p>What did she get her PhD in?&nbsp; I see her mentioned in some biochem studies such as http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/241/22/5467.pdf but I don't see anything related to physics.&nbsp; Anyone know?&nbsp; Nutrition? Biochem? Health Sciences? Buehler.. Buehler... &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I followed one of the links to the OM board and then noticed that Kalstang and Smersh stopped posting in that thread and that JL started posting pics again and debate had ended - how sad.It is quite obvious that debate is not what they want, they just want everybody to agree with them and bow to the mighty John Lear.&nbsp; What a bunch of loons. <br /> Posted by abq_farside</DIV></p><p>Sychophants tend to scatter like cockroaches when the light get turned on.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Sychophants tend to scatter like cockroaches when the light get turned on.&nbsp; <br />Posted by derekmcd</DIV><br /><br />I thought it was interesting how many posters kept saying they wanted debates, just not debunking.&nbsp; It was like they wanted people to disagree but only that the moon base was square in structure and not round.&nbsp; </p><p>As long as you agreed with their premise, then debate was OK.&nbsp; If you disagreed, then they wanted nothing to do with that kind of debate.&nbsp; Plus JL was an honored guest and to debate him was sacrilegious.</p><p>I found it quite humorous when JL decided to pack up and go home like a little child.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em><font size="1" color="#000080">Don't let who you are keep you from becoming who you want to be!</font></em></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Newton is going to be pissed and all those publishers and colleges are going to want their money back.What did she get her PhD in?&nbsp; I see her mentioned in some biochem studies such as http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/241/22/5467.pdf but I don't see anything related to physics.&nbsp; Anyone know?&nbsp; Nutrition? Biochem? Health Sciences? Buehler.. Buehler... &nbsp;&nbsp; <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>Her Ph.D. is in biochemistry.&nbsp; I have no idea from what university.</p><p>http://www.worldnpa.org/php/MemberPretty.php?id=12</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p>I was in the mood for a little comedy, so I went and read the last couple pages... here's a few quotes:&nbsp;</p><p><br /><em><font size="2">"The gravitational force of a planet is its acceleration times the area of a circle the radius of which is the mean distance between that planet and the sun. So that makes the gravitational constant invalid because mass/density has nothing to do with gravity.</font>"</em></p><p> <em><font size="2">"And the significance of that is that it would follow that it would have an atmosphere and people living on it."</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">"As the density of the atmosphere on Mars is very similar to Earths the color of the sky is the same. NASA would like you to believe otherwise so they alter the color of the Martian sky to suit their needs."</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">"My expertise is in planetary physics not internal gas."</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">"Because with HAARP the government can control weather, start hurricanes, tornadoes, cyclones, cause earthquakes and tidal waves and make you think just about anything they want to make you think."</font></em><br /><em><font size="2"><br />"I'm sure you mean a rogue planet. If they exist, they would have little or no gravity. The gravitational force of a planet has nothing to do with it mass/density."</font> <br /></em></p><p><em><font size="2">"Please let me know when you have read Pari Spolters book "The Gravitational Force of the Sun" so that we are debating on a level field."<br /><br />"Third while the earth is not exactly hollow it does have huge caverns beneath its surface where all kinds of interesting people live." <br /><br />"Fourth while the sun is not artificial it is neither a nuclear reactor or nuclear generated. The sun is an electromagnetic sphere.</font>" </em><br /><font size="2"><br /></font></p><p><font size="2">In response to the question:</font></p><p><em><font size="2">"Also, as far as the sun being pregnant, I believe you are of the belief that the planets migrate out from the sun over time and that the sun actually gives birth to them?"</font></em></p><p><font size="2">The reply was:</font></p><p><font size="2"><em>"Yes, that is correct."</em><br /></font></p><p><font size="2"><br /></font><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/14/b9e9e8d7-6444-4133-aed8-8093a2dc72b1.Medium.gif" alt="" />&nbsp; This stuff is just priceless. </p><p>I'm half tempted to head over there to see if Mr. Lear could get the author to join their forum so I could "learn" a few things.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>
 
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<p>Priceless indeed, time for me to play around with these comments.</p><p><em><font size="2">"The gravitational force of a planet is its acceleration times the area of a circle the radius of which is the mean distance between that planet and the sun. So that makes the gravitational constant invalid because mass/density has nothing to do with gravity.</font>"</em></p><p>At what point are planets accellerating?</p><p><em><font size="2">"And the significance of that is that it would follow that it would have an atmosphere and people living on it."</font></em></p><p>And exactly why would that be?</p><p><em><font size="2">"As the density of the atmosphere on Mars is very similar to Earths the color of the sky is the same. NASA would like you to believe otherwise so they alter the color of the Martian sky to suit their needs."</font></em></p><p>Ah yes, I knew there was something conspiratorial in here somewhere. NASA and other scientists believed mars atmosphere would be deep blue until Viking landed. I have the old concept art images of what the surface of mars was thought to look like. From what I could see, evidently nobody imagined a bright pink sky.</p><p><em><font size="2">"My expertise is in planetary physics not internal gas."</font></em></p><p>Actually...I'm thinking his expertise IS in the field of internal gas here...of the flatulant kind!</p><p><em><font size="2">"Because with HAARP the government can control weather, start hurricanes, tornadoes, cyclones, cause earthquakes and tidal waves and make you think just about anything they want to make you think."</font></em></p><p>If this were true...we've already been taken over...no use whining about it.</p><p><em><font size="2">"I'm sure you mean a rogue planet. If they exist, they would have little or no gravity. The gravitational force of a planet has nothing to do with it mass/density."</font></em></p><p>I'll have to come back to this one.</p><p><em><font size="2">"Please let me know when you have read Pari Spolters book "The Gravitational Force of the Sun" so that we are debating on a level field."</font></em></p><p>Don't you mean Please read the book so you will know I spent my hard earned buck on it before bothering to talk with me?</p><p><em><font size="2">"Third while the earth is not exactly hollow it does have huge caverns beneath its surface where all kinds of interesting people live."&nbsp; </font></em></p><p>What would any of this be without hollow earthers..er, I mean huge cavern earthers or HCEs.</p><p><em><font size="2">"Fourth while the sun is not artificial it is neither a nuclear reactor or nuclear generated. The sun is an electromagnetic sphere.</font>"&nbsp; </em></p><p>Theres that electric Universe thing again. Why do these folks insist on an electric Universe anyway? Besides, I always thought the sun was artificial, a giant Tang bubble in the sky.</p><p><em><font size="2">"Also, as far as the sun being pregnant, I believe you are of the belief that the planets migrate out from the sun over time and that the sun actually gives birth to them?"</font></em></p><p>You gotta be kidding me, get me an epidural...not for the pregnant patient...FOR ME!</p><p><font size="2"><em>"Yes, that is correct."</em></font></p><p>Before I even got to this one, I knew once we started talking about pregnant stars that yes was the only possible answer. Hold on people...need to do a "C" section on Betelgeuse, when we find its abdomen.</p><p>They do have one thing right and I cannot emphasize it enough. They know how to get attention.&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>
 
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a_lost_packet_

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<p>Wow, that's some... uh.. interesting stuff.</p><p>But, can you guys feel it?&nbsp; That slight tugging sensation somewhere deep inside your skull as millions of nerons are placed under extreme mysterious forces every second?&nbsp; It's as if it's a giant intelectual Black Hole is consuming everything in its path...</p><p>You know, in some ways this is pretty fascinating.&nbsp; I would assume that studying groups of people like this would end up showing some remarkable correlations with "cult behavior."&nbsp; Here, we have some really top-grade BS being spewed out at very high levels yet there are people gobbling up like it's candy.&nbsp; I can only assume that the rate of BS coming out of these cult-leader's mouths overburdens some people's capacity for discriminate thinking.&nbsp; At some point, they just stop "thinking" and let the leader's do it for them because it is too difficult a task to accomplish while be assaulted with nonsense at such high rates.</p><p>Sometimes, I really wonder about "humanity" and its capacity for stupidity.&nbsp; Every time I turn a corner I seem to be confronted with the drooling, knuckledragging masses of evolutionary "what ifs" humanity's lineage has managed to produce. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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DrRocket

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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Wow, that's some... uh.. interesting stuff.But, can you guys feel it?&nbsp; That slight tugging sensation somewhere deep inside your skull as millions of nerons are placed under extreme mysterious forces every second?&nbsp; It's as if it's a giant intelectual Black Hole is consuming everything in its path...You know, in some ways this is pretty fascinating.&nbsp; I would assume that studying groups of people like this would end up showing some remarkable correlations with "cult behavior."&nbsp; Here, we have some really top-grade BS being spewed out at very high levels yet there are people gobbling up like it's candy.&nbsp; I can only assume that the rate of BS coming out of these cult-leader's mouths overburdens some people's capacity for discriminate thinking.&nbsp; At some point, they just stop "thinking" and let the leader's do it for them because it is too difficult a task to accomplish while be assaulted with nonsense at such high rates.Sometimes, I really wonder about "humanity" and its capacity for stupidity.&nbsp; Every time I turn a corner I seem to be confronted with the drooling, knuckledragging masses of evolutionary "what ifs" humanity's lineage has managed to produce. <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV></p><p>This stuff is relatively harmless.&nbsp; It is so stupid that it can little effect on anything important.&nbsp; What is of greater concern is the other stupidity that you&nbsp;see, and there are some stunning examples in this forum.&nbsp; Take a look at the "Electrical Universe" theories and see how much of that nonsense is put&nbsp;forth at many internet&nbsp;sites as real science.&nbsp; Go look at the arguments for "intelligent design"&nbsp;-- and that stuff can actually show up in public schools.</p><p>Then take a look at the political threads and see what people are claiming that Bush has single-handedly screwed up.&nbsp; No matter what you think of the man or how stupid you think he might be, NOBODY has the ability to&nbsp;determine, positively or negatively, all the outcomes for which he is either credited or blamed.&nbsp; </p><p>Now if you really want to scare yourself consider this -- these people breed, and vote. <br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp; Apparently a complete wacko by the name of Pari Spollter has written a book called Gravitational Force of the Sun "disproving" Newtonian mechanics.&nbsp; <br />Posted by <strong>DrRocket</strong></DIV><br /><br />On the issue of Spolterian (I think that's what smells bad in the back of the refridgerator) physics what I can determine is that she believes gravity is not dependant on mass but rather on something else.&nbsp; I think for the Sun she believes it's something EM related.&nbsp; In any case her point seems to be that the only way to determine a heavenly body's gravity to to look at the orbits of it's satellites. Then using "her" (?)&nbsp;formula you can compute the gravitational force.&nbsp; Why she doesn't think Newton was correct is not known to me.&nbsp; But she seems stuck in Kepler's time as a result. I'd love to hear her explain why 2 objects of differing masses fall at the same rate in the same gravitational field or why they would weigh differently.&nbsp; I know she's been asked this but I didn't see her answer. As I said before if her book fell into my hands I might read it but I ain't paying more than $2.58 for it. </p><p>BTW the above does threaten JL's goofiness re: the Moon's gravity.&nbsp; <font size="3">IF</font> you could ever get JL to admit that the published numbers for some lunar orbitting satellite are correct, you'd disprove his fanciful theory using physics and numbers he agrees with.&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>
 
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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Now if you really want to scare yourself consider this -- these people breed, and vote. <br />Posted by <strong>DrRocket</strong></DIV></p><p>Great, it's not even noon and I now feel the need for strong drink.&nbsp; Thx.</p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>
 
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a_lost_packet_

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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This stuff is relatively harmless.&nbsp; It is so stupid that it can little effect on anything important.&nbsp; What is of greater concern is the other stupidity that you&nbsp;see, and there are some stunning examples in this forum.&nbsp; Take a look at the "Electrical Universe" theories and see how much of that nonsense is put&nbsp;forth at many internet&nbsp;sites as real science.&nbsp; Go look at the arguments for "intelligent design"&nbsp;-- and that stuff can actually show up in public schools.Then take a look at the political threads and see what people are claiming that Bush has single-handedly screwed up.&nbsp; No matter what you think of the man or how stupid you think he might be, NOBODY has the ability to&nbsp;determine, positively or negatively, all the outcomes for which he is either credited or blamed.&nbsp; Now if you really want to scare yourself consider this -- these people breed, and vote. <br /> Posted by DrRocket</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You know what really bothers me?&nbsp; I've said it plenty of times but haven't had the chance to post on it this year... So, here goes..</p><p>There are people that are out there that don't know any better.&nbsp; There are kids just now opening their minds to the wonders of true science but haven't the ability to discern the chaff from the kernel.&nbsp; There are also people out there who, either by design or their own ignorance, spew forth garbage and feed off the resulting masses of ignorant but generally well-meaning people out there.&nbsp; Every woowoo isn't a bad person.&nbsp; They're either misguided, ignorant, delusional or have simply just decided for themselves that they have to define their life behind something, so it might as well be B.S.</p><p>It's the innocent minds that are hurt by this garbage that upsets me.&nbsp; It's the people that take advantage of someone else's ignorance in order to further their own goals and personal ambitions that upset me as well.&nbsp; How many, otherwise possibly intelligent people, are lead down these primrose money-trails, gleefully joining the swelling cult-like masses of adoring woo-woo fans?&nbsp; How many kids read this garbage and then think that it is real "science" and who's possible contributions to man's true knowledge are forever lost?&nbsp; How many people find some sort of existential meaning in this garbage they pay for because some cult woo-woo psuedoscience leader has managed to crowbar religion into their ramblings just to make a buck?</p><p>I think this junk is damaging.&nbsp; I won't say it is dangerous because stupid people drown in mud-puddles and I can't see how this is any different.&nbsp; But, it upsets me to see people taken in by charlatans and hucksters simply because they have the misfortune of being innocently ignorant.&nbsp; The possibility of new minds being forever closed to true science really upsets me as well.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>
 
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