No Higgs for the Hadron

[blueman12]

<p>Is that picture a picture of your befuddled face?&nbsp; It's very funny!!&nbsp; And is this less than 100 lines?</p>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is that picture a picture of your befuddled face?&nbsp; It's very funny!!&nbsp; And is this less than 100 lines? <br />Posted by blueman12</DIV><br /><br />Obviously you are very young if you do not recognize my image.</p><p>My post was about 6 lines.</p><p>Michael prefers to dissect and reply to each sentence with a generally unrelated monologue.</p><p>Hey, it's his style, I was just commenting that unless you area a masochist, it's generally not worth expending the effort to read it all.</p><p>As I've said before, I think that's sad, as it's a waste of good intelligence.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[michaelmozina]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Jeez, can you ever write a post that takes less than a hundred lines?</DIV></p><p>Yes. </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And&nbsp; dozen replies to one post?</DIV></p><p>When did I reply even twice to the same response in this thread? </p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Your obsessive overdissection in your replies makes my eyes glaze over before I can even absorb the content.{f} <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>Oh well.&nbsp; I learned a long time ago that I can't please everyone. &nbsp; Look at the bright side.&nbsp; Maybe it will be useful reading material when youre ready to fall asleep. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>

 

[blueman12]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Obviously you are very young if you do not recognize my image.My post was about 6 lines.Michael prefers to dissect and reply to each sentence with a generally unrelated monologue.Hey, it's his style, I was just commenting that unless you area a masochist, it's generally not worth expending the effort to read it all.As I've said before, I think that's sad, as it's a waste of good intelligence. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV><br /><br />Actually, I'm very old, I used to stir this place up a lot ten years ago as the original blueman...&nbsp; Your face is funny--nothing is too sacred&nbsp;to make fun of, for shore...</p><p>&nbsp;Just been on sabbatical, writing fiction...</p><p>My face sometimes looks like your face...</p>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Actually, I'm very old, I used to stir this place up a lot ten years ago as the original blueman...&nbsp; Your face is funny--nothing is too sacred&nbsp;to make fun of, for shore...&nbsp;Just been on sabbatical, writing fiction...My face sometimes looks like your face... <br />Posted by blueman12</DIV><br /><br />Sorry, my bad. Usually it's young'uns that don't recognize my avatar image. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

<p><font color="#333399"><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>no real harm, I guess, I guess I just prefer a tightly focused inquiry.&nbsp; the best theories going in means the best chance of finding out the&nbsp;right stuff? <br /> Posted by blueman12</DIV></font><br />The LHC is not an inquiry or a theory, it is a tool.&nbsp; Like a microscope or telescope it is designed to look at things, allowing scientists to gather observations.&nbsp; You may have a problem with the "focus" of research using the LHC, but I do not see how you can have a problem with the LHC itself.&nbsp; </p><p>Take heart though.&nbsp; Even if you don't like the particular experiments being run on the LHC in the near term, a little thing called serendipity will step in and send the experimenters in entirely different directions in years to come.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[michaelmozina]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The LHC is not an inquiry or a theory, it is a tool.&nbsp; Like a microscope or telescope it is designed to look at things, allowing scientists to gather observations.&nbsp; You may have a problem with the "focus" of research using the LHC, but I do not see how you can have a problem with the LHC itself.&nbsp; Take heart though.&nbsp; Even if you don't like the particular experiments being run on the LHC in the near term, a little thing called serendipity will step in and send the experimenters in entirely different directions in years to come. <br /> Posted by centsworth_II</DIV></p><p>I think you hit the nail on the head with that post.&nbsp; The LHC is simply a powerful invistigative tool that is designed to help us study nature and how nature actually operates.&nbsp; What we learn from these high energy experiments will be worthwhile, regardless of what they reveal. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>

 

[derekmcd]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I have often thought these same thoughts but how do you "build" a proton or any identified subatomic particle from "pairs and spares" of positrons/electrons?&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br /> Posted by michaelmozina</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Electron/positron collisions can produce the Z-boson which, in turn, can decay into up and down quarks in the form of mesons or baryons.</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Electron-Positron_Collider</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[DrRocket]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Sorry, my bad. Usually it's young'uns that don't recognize my avatar image. <br />Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>I certainly recognize the avatar, and like and respect the man represented by it.&nbsp; It is the only avatar that I associate with you. &nbsp;I have not been around here all that long.</p><p>But I have a question, because there are situations in which&nbsp;your avatar is&nbsp;especially appropriate.&nbsp; </p><p>Did you use that avatar before you ran across Michael ?<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[derekmcd]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Did you use that avatar before you ran across Michael ? <br /> Posted by DrRocket</DIV></p><p>Ruthless...&nbsp; You're on a roll tonight.&nbsp; Had me in tears on that one. </p><p><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/9/4bd7d628-4c91-4514-8955-42a5fbcd5dc0.Medium.gif" alt="" /><br />&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div><br /><div><span style="color:#0000ff" class="Apple-style-span">"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</span></div> </div>

 

[michaelmozina]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Ruthless...&nbsp; You're on a roll tonight.&nbsp; Had me in tears on that one. &nbsp; <br /> Posted by derekmcd</DIV></p><p>I thought it was pretty funny too! </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>

 

[michaelmozina]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;Electron/positron collisions can produce the Z-boson which, in turn, can decay into up and down quarks in the form of mesons or baryons.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Electron-Positron_Collider <br /> Posted by derekmcd</DIV></p><p>I appreciate the link and I'll definitely do some reading.&nbsp; It seems to me that this is a highly interesting approach to quantum physics in general.&nbsp; It could be that the kineitic/electric positron-electron relationship ends up explaining many of the persistent 'structures" in spacetime, including the Higg's boson. </p><p>My great fear I suppose is that I will read these experiments and find myself debating the validity of mainstream astronomy theories and the validity of the Higgs particle in particle physics theory at the same time. &nbsp; I don't think even I could handle the flack from trying to do both things simultaneously. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>I'll be very interested in reading the early results of the LHC experiments.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. - Kristian Birkeland </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I certainly recognize the avatar, and like and respect the man represented by it.&nbsp; It is the only avatar that I associate with you. &nbsp;I have not been around here all that long.But I have a question, because there are situations in which&nbsp;your avatar is&nbsp;especially appropriate.&nbsp; Did you use that avatar before you ran across Michael ? <br />Posted by DrRocket</DIV></p><p>ROFL <br /><br />Actually I chose it after the Pluckification of the SDC forums, but I'll have to mount an indestructable mirror next to the monitor to check!</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>