"Russian rocket crashes with military payload"

[rickstine]

"In Moscow a Russian rocket carrying a military satellite into orbit crashed to earth in Siberia soon after launch on Tuesday, Russian news agencies reported.<br /><br />Officials said they believed no one on the ground had been hurt when the unmanned Molnia-M rocket came down in the thinly-populated Tyumen region in western Siberia.<br /><br />The rocket was launched from the Plesetsk military cosmodrome. Helicopters were being used to help search for wreckage from the rocket, officials said.<br /><br />The military communications satellite has not been delivered into orbit because the rocket ... suffered engine failure,” Itar Tass news agency quoted Alexei Kuznetsov, a spokesman for Russia’s military space program, as saying.<br /><br />You can't expect much from the Russian space program.I'm supried that they can afford that.O course they come first before the people,so why not build it.When one third of their people starve everyday they coulden't think of them.If I has them the people would come first then space.O well can't expect from and bunch of Commies that think that the Corld War has not ended ,not that everyone in the government is a Commie.<br />

 

[tuckerfan]

The question is: Will the Russian miltary find the wreck before these guys do?

 

[rickstine]

Russia is going no were until they relize they lost the Cold War.

 

[toymaker]

"Russia is going no were until they relize they lost the Cold War."<br />www.pravda.com<br />go to english forum there....search for USA, Cold War...<br />And laugh REALLY HARD.

 

[thermionic]

I couldn't read the cyrilic, but they do seem to have lovely ladies there, with very fashionable bathing suits. What does Pravda have to say about USA and the Cold War?

 

[toymaker]

I couldn't read the cyrilic<br />http://engforum.pravda.ru/<br />

 

[rickstine]

They are ,so stupid,with space ,I'm sure the U.S bullys them ,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH..oh my why do they care we are their they are not,we might have used too much force,but we don't go to door to door pulling people from their house to be shot like Saddam did.

 

[JonClarke]

Not to underplay the Russian economic challenges but they are not going into an inevitable second crash. <br /><br />The Russian economic growth has consistently exceeded predictions and expectations since the crash of 1998, with a seven year average of 6.5% This year's figures are unlikely to fall below 6% and may push 7%.<br /><br />Furthermore all major overseas to the Russian government have now been repaid, well ahead of schedule. Cash reserves almost completely cover remaining state debt, a complete turn around since 1997 when state debt was seven times reserves.<br /><br />There are indeed colossal challenges with infrastructure, health, education, and restructuring but, given a strong skills and resource base, sustained record of economic growth and debt repayment, and a culture that has emphasises triumph in aversity, I think the long term prognosis is very good. But with many Russian friends and colleagues (my work place has benefited greatly from the diaspora from the former USSR) I would not wish to minimise their current hardships either.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Rickstine<br /><br />Please check your facts before you write. You can't expect much from the Russian space program? Most of the world's satellites are being launched with Russian technology. The Molnyia booster failure that prompted your post was the second failure in 256 launches, that is an excellent success rate. It is the Russian space program that is keeping the ISS flying and US astronuats in space.<br /><br />I strongly suggest you learn some facts and get some respect for the extraordinary accomplishments of the Russian space program, past present and, I am sure, in the future.<br /><br />Jon<br /><br />BTW This forum is for science and astronomy. Since your post is about technology any similar posts belong in the technology forum. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[rickstine]

I know the Russian space program was the first in many things,AS far as we know of how many crashes has been covered up,we still don't know and yes Russia has achived much in it's space program,but they are using badly needed money for the military when their people starve.If they want to achive more they first must get everything else srtaight before success can move on.

 

[JonClarke]

Rickstine<br /><br />All satellite launch failures in Soviet/Russian space history are now known (and have been known for over a decade). This is including ones that were covered up at the time or simply not announced. I suggest you peruse Encyclopedia astronautica for more details (astronautix.com).<br /><br />Criticism on how the Russians spend their money belomgs elswhere, but since they have cut back very heavily on military spending I would suggest that it is quite inaccurate to accuse them of spending mony on the military while letting their people starve. None of this has much bearing on space science and astronomy, so please take the discussion elsewhere.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[rickstine]

The space program is part of the goverment which would make it part of the militry to.NASA has the airforce and the navy that work with them and also are encharge of them also,just like the Russian space program,but they are looked over by the army and the airforce.

 

[najab]

><i>The space program is part of the goverment which would make it part of the militry to.</i><p>Using that logic, the US Parks Service is part of the military. <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /><p>><i>NASA has the airforce and the navy that work with them and also are encharge of them also</i><p>The DoD is <b>not</b> in charge of NASA. NASA is a civilian agency of the US Government and is in a completely different chain of command from the armed services.</p></p></p>

 

[rickstine]

Yes and it works closely with the airforce and the navy ,I'm not saying all the time but military money is put into it.

 

[JonClarke]

What has that got do to with anything?<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[rickstine]

What I'm saying is even though its a civilen agenacy military money is put into it.

 

[najab]

Even if that were true, I'd say "So what's the point?" - but as it is, your statement is false. While NASA and the DoD <b>collaborate</b> on projects, their funding is entirely separate - NASA has its own budget. It's interesting that you choose to focus on NASA-DoD collaboration and completely ignore the much more significant NASA-NOAA, NASA-USGS, NASA-NSF connections.

 

[rickstine]

How do we know ,it's just when the airforce said they are going to disaband the F-22 Raptor and produce no more.Honesty when this fighter can take on eight F-15's at once and has stealth tech in it's system.Do you belive that the airforce would get ride of the project just like that?<br /><br /> I know NASA has it's own buget because when NASA was working close with SETI in 1993 Congress cut their budget in half saying its a wates of money in surch of little green men.I was fousing on NASA and the DoD more ,and I never completly ignore NASA-NOAA, NASA-USGS, NASA-NSF at all.

 

[drwayne]

"the airforce said they are going to disaband the F-22 Raptor and produce no more"<br /><br />The Air Force has never said anything like that. Quite the opposite. There are some in congress who talk about cutting the program from time to time. There are even those in the DoD chain who have talked about it. But the Air Force has been, and continues to push for its procurement.<br /><br />Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>"1) Give no quarter; 2) Take no prisoners; 3) Sink everything."  Admiral Jackie Fisher</p> </div>