Russians worried about space prestige (lunar landing)?

[scottb50]

Sure, Clinton gave them all the 70's technolgy we had. When is it not Clintons fault? Especially when Rayguns and Bush I were the ones that buddied up to the Russians. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[syndroma]

New Sevastianov interview:<br />http://www.energia.ru/energia/news/news-2006/public_02-01.html (Russian)<br /><br />4 Block-DMs, 1 Fregat, 1 Lunar Lander, 1 Soyuz, 1 ISS - 2 men on the Moon.

 

[nacnud]

The ISS with the Pharom and Klipper is interesting as well. PS is there an English version or a translation page that works?<br /><br />

 

[syndroma]

Try this one:<br />http://www.online-translator.com/srvurl.asp?lang=en

 

[nacnud]

Top banana, thanks <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[tomnackid]

Despite Russia's 30-fold disadvantage in financing its space effort as compared with America's, it has greater chances of being the first in reaching the Moon this time, or perhaps the Mars.<br />-----------------------------------------------------------------------<br />Um, I hate to break it to you, but the US was already first to the moon. How could anyone "beat" us when we won the race 30 years ago???

 

[nacnud]

<font color="yellow">[Russia] has greater chances of being the first in reaching the Moon this time...<br /><br /><font color="white">Can you currently go to the Moon? They are talking about who will be the first to return, not who has already been.<br /><br />That said the US plan is a lot more capable than the Russian plan, but haveing both would be better <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /></font></font>

 

[tomnackid]

That's my point. We (the USA) already won the "race". Now we are going back to do some work. Russia (at least according to this article) is still looking at it as a race for prestige or a publicity stunt. If there is a new "moon race" its between Russia and China. The US has nothing to prove in the "can we get to the moon and back department". Now we have to prove that we can do it routinely, cost effectively and derive important knowledge from it. Personally the two biggest reasons I want to see a US moon base are to a) show the "robots only" crowd how much more humans onsite can do than even the best rovers. And b) show the "just dump some people on mars and let them figure out how to live crowd" how much harder and more complicated living in an off earth environment really is.

 

[space_dreamer]

It says “Reaching the Moon this time”<br /><br />Yes the US won the race 30 years ago but it then stupidly scrapped the Saturn 5 and loss its ability to go to the moon.<br /><br />If the Russians can land on the moon before the 21st Century constellation program, it would be an amazing achievement. A race mentally would do wonders for NASAs budget. <br />

 

[syndroma]

tomnackid,<br /> /> <i>Russia is still looking at it as a race for prestige or a publicity stunt.</i><br /><br />No, it doesn't.<br /><br />This article is all about being economically effective, whether it's ISS or moon project. Russian government has huge amount of spare money, and if it'd want some publicity stunts, they'd spent the money on BFR for flag planting missions to the Moon. But there's no point in it. <br /><br />The point is to held space industry on low profile, giving them minimum amount of money, to force them to earn their living. That's why space tourists fly, health-friendly Kliper being developed and all moon projects use mass-produced launch vehicles and existing space hardware.<br /><br />Cut NASA funding 10 times and you'll see how innovative they'd become. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[tohaki]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>4 Block-DMs, 1 Fregat, 1 Lunar Lander, 1 Soyuz, 1 ISS - 2 men on the Moon.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote>That is not too far away from what we discussed. And really the only new piece of technololgy that would have to be developed is a lunar lander. Since the lander programme was one of the successful ones back in the Moon Race (and flew several times in Earth orbit) I think that is not beyond them. How much would it cost though? Perhaps they should approach the Chinese?

 

[bwhite]

An EML-1 variation using Proton and Soyuz is described here:<br /><br />http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/006534.html<br /><br />