Spacedaily's swipe at space.com users

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xflare

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http://www.spacedaily.com/news/oped-05i.html<br /><br />Recent suggestions on news forums such as Space.Com that we should sack Jeffrey Bell as he is bad for advertising are ridiculous. As much as I live and eat for the next advertising check, I do not publish SpaceDaily on the basis of sucking up to advertisers. SpaceDaily is an independent news service, and we do not censor the news to fit the opinions of government employed technicians or starry eyed teenagers.
 
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xflare

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And another thing that really annoys me, they haven't even given the scientists time to look at the data or process it properly. <br /><br />Remember those very first images that came in from spirit? The tiny thumbnails that didnt show much detail, look at what we have now.<br />
 
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nacnud

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Do you think we touched a nerve? <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Seems that they can hand out criticism but not take it but at least they acknowledge us even if we are bunch of starry eye teenagers (I wish).
 
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wvbraun

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"...we do not censor the news to fit the opinions of government employed technicians or starry eyed teenagers"<br /><br />I'm neither and still I'm tired of reading through the rants of an 'angry old man'/Jeff Bell. I haven't visited spacedaily.com in half a year and I won't anytime soon. The site was not that good to begin with...
 
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thechemist

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This is plain arrogance. Nobody asks for censorship. We have the right to disagree as much as the next space journalist or space-related site owner.<br /><br />Everybody must be open to criticism, especially if he practices it with a vengeance himself.<br /><br />Government employed technicians ? starry eyed teenagers ? Don't get me started <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>
 
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bobvanx

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>>we do not censor the news<br /><br />Jeff Bell's rants are <i>news?</i><br /><br />Simon, I've corresponded with you directly a couple of times, so I know you're a good guy. First of all, welcome to SDC! Secondly, thanks for the viral marketing plug, and placed with an editorial that lots of people are likely to read, too! <br /><br />Third, please choose to take any criticism you read here as constructive. You surely also read that quite a few of us government employed technicians or starry eyed teenagers defended Jeff's right to free speech, and your right to publish whatever the heck you want to.<br /><br />If most of us feel that he's out of step with the renaissance that appears to be dawning in space exploitation, well, perhaps that's a signal to you to find a writer who can offer a different viewpoint from Jeff's once in a while. It would be great to find someone as fecund as he is with the written word. That might be asking too much.<br /><br />All in all, keep up the good work, don't let dung beetles change your attitude, and use some discernment as you move forward!
 
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bobvanx

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>>they haven't even given the scientists time to look at the data or process it properly. <br /> <br />Regarding..? Huygens? It's a few trolls who seem to have fixated on the raw image quality that have this opinion, and they are being roundly spanked. The rest of us are scientists, engineers, technicians, astronomers, marketers, publicists, artists, and teachers, as well as students and government employees, and we know how the data has to get processed before it's human perceivable.
 
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no_way

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Um .. who prevents people from sending their own articles to SpaceDaily for publishing, rebutting JB-s ravings ?<br />Declaring the site to be worthless or suggesting JB to stop writing isnt exactly constructive. <br /><br />Or to paraphrase a recent thread from here: SpaceDaily critics, put up or shut up ?
 
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grooble

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I did put up, i built a space rated probe but my post's were deleted.
 
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najab

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><i>Um .. who prevents people from sending their own articles to SpaceDaily for publishing, rebutting JB-s ravings?</i><p>Who says we haven't tried? Just because we send them, doesn't mean they'll get published. (And yes, I did send one).</p>
 
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thalion

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I think it's a little sad that only Ansel Adams-quality pictures will satisfy some people.
 
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rvastro

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The pictures impressed me. Color pics from 750 million miles away from the surface of a moon--one that may resemble what earth looked like early on in its history. If that does not impress you--your impressor is broke.
 
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davepeilow

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Have a look at this if you want a chuckle. I think it says more about the mind of this guy than we ever can...<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1ZHXINCOPF7OR/103-0076158-6897447?_encoding=UTF8<br /><br />"I bought this book because I was offended by the hype on the dust cover" - says it all really and the review of Starship Troopers is classic.<br /><br /><br />Dave<br /><br />non-government, non-teenage and non-stary-eyed systems engineer.
 
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SpaceKiwi

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The results from Huygens are unequivocally impressive, no matter what the currency you wish to value the effort in.<br /><br />For all those bemoaning the "delays" in getting the Huygen's imagery out to the public, I ask how did you possibly cope with the 7 year journey she hitched with Cassini to begin with?<br /><br />I'm old enough to remember a time when you took film from a camera and handed it into the local pharmacy to be sent away for processing. If you were lucky, you might get your pics back a week later. The speed with which the Huygens team have got images out would be remarkable even if it were only a tenth as fast. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>
 
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orzek

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Well I found the Starship Troopers movie to be very entertaining and well made. I found the world portrayed as neat clean and well organised, much better than zoo that we live in now. The fact that Bell doesn't like it plus the other reviews of his on that page reinforces the view in me that he is a hyperboled, pedantic, nitpicking and super pessimistic big head on steroids!
 
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nacnud

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Sorry I nuked my comment, it did say the book was better...<br /><br />However I think that the book and the film are completely different animals an that each is good in their own right, to critisie the film for being dumbed down is to completely miss the point of it.
 
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toymaker

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Insults against disliked people, false claims etc. aren't news to me.Like said before nothing is better then good constructive critic, but personall attacks on Zubrin, Nasa etc aren't that, are they.<br /><br />And gosh I wish I would be one of the people mentioned-either a teenager or employed by government <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />
 
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no_way

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"Who says we haven't tried? Just because we send them, doesn't mean they'll get published. (And yes, I did send one). "<br /><br />Ah, i didnt know that someone did. Did you get it published on any other site ? There are a dozen out there looking for good journalistic material.
 
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nexium

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I posted on the forums of both space.com and space daily until the space daily forums disappeared without warning nor appology. Does space daily have a forum Now? Neil
 
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lunatic133

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the former spacedaily forums were absorbed by Everything Science it looks like. I don't see why it's okay for Bell to insult NASA, ESA, Rutan, Zubrin, O'Keefe, Steidel, etc, but not okay for us to insult Bell. And hey now, what's WRONG with being a starry eyed teenager? <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" />
 
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claywoman

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There is nothing wrong with being a starry-eyed teenager unless the stars keep you from seeing the wall you smashed into...hehe
 
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najab

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><i>Did you get it published on any other site ?</i><p>No. Since it was specifically a rebuttal of what Jeff Bell had written, it wouldn't have made much sense sending it anywhere else.</p>
 
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