TO DESTROY A SPACE STATION!

[cyclonebuster]

How about a "More rubbish in LEO" thread??

 

[MeteorWayne]

There's enough rubbish in this thread, thankyouverymuch. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[cyclonebuster]

Not if you would leave it alone! <br /><br />thankyouverymuch. <br />

 

[cyclonebuster]

<br />Lots of space "Rubbish"!!!<br />http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2007/22feb07/garradd1.gif

 

[cyclonebuster]

You mean like this???<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtl4fw-z9ag

 

[cyclonebuster]

New report on space debris. No wonder they come out with this after the Russian and China event!!<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/02/28/space.station.debris.reut/index.html

 

[erioladastra]

Maybe I am misreading your post but this review was started some time and and was not tied in any way to the recent events on orbit.

 

[cyclonebuster]

Perhaps, another victim falls to China's experiment????<br /><br />http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17952518/

 

[PistolPete]

ARGH!!!!! Die thread, die!!!!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[webtaz99]

It is worth remembering that the center of gravity of the debris follows the same orbit as the center of gravity of the object before it exploded. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[cyclonebuster]

And now this?<br /><br />Space Station Commander 'Not Worried' About Spy Satellite Shootdown<br />HOUSTON — Military plans to shoot down a damaged U.S. spy satellite carrying toxic fuel will not concern the crew aboard the international space station, commander Peggy Whitson said Saturday.<br /><br />The military hopes to smash the satellite as soon as next week — just before it enters Earth's atmosphere — with a single missile fired from a Navy cruiser in the northern Pacific Ocean.<br /><br />http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330894,00.html<br />

 

[nimbus]

How old are you? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[cyclonebuster]

85

 

[cyclonebuster]

How do we know the debris won't hit the space station?

 

[MeteorWayne]

Because it will start out in an orbit at least 90 km below that of the ISS, and nothing from the impact will put debris in that high an orbit. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[nimbus]

No one will take you seriously, and none of your topics will give you the discussion you're looking for if you ignore the refutals to your assertions.<br />As in this thread. <br /><br />No offence of any sort intended. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[billslugg]

cyclonebuster<br />When the missile gets that high, it will be at the limit of its ability. That is - it will be sitting still waiting to fall down. We are relying on the 17,000 mph speed of the spy sat to do the damage. YES - a portion of the spy sat could go into a higher orbit and possibly hit the ISS. They can easily calculate a timing that would make this impossible, BUT if a meteoroid happened to hit the ISS at the same instant they would never live it down.<br /><br />YES, a piece of shrapnel could hit ISS, YES it could be made impossible, NO they are not going to take the chance. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[cyclonebuster]

Yeah! Murphys law could get it.

 

[15203700700579]

Why would you want to destroy it? It sounds like you want to destroy hubble too! Well if we put it up there and it still can be used then continue using it! If it can't be used take it out of orbit. (and blow it up like a spy sattelite.)

 

[MeteorWayne]

Why are you addressing that question to billslugg?<br /><br />The only person in the world who thinks the ISS is in any danger is certainly not him!! <br /><br />That would be cyclonebuster, whose understanding of orbital mechanics (at all scales) leaves a lot to be desired. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[billslugg]

Nobody wants to destroy anything. The US is taking the safest route for all concerned in breaking up this satellite. By doing the way they are doing it, we are insuring the least total danger to us on the ground and to orbiting objects. By breaking it up just as it begins to enter the atmosphere, objects that go sideways enter the atmosphere just the same, but 1 orbit later. Objects that go downward enter immediately and objects that go upward come straight down and renter the atmosphere about 1/2 orbit later. It is absolutely impossible to raise the perigee of an object with a single hit. You have to hit it once to raise the apogee, and then at apogee hit it again to raise the perigee. As long as the object is only hit once, and at a perigee that means reentry within days, then ALL pieces of the craft will reenter within days. Many of them sooner but NONE of them later. <br /><br />It is true that some objects will go to a higher orbit for a short period of time, and might risk other satellites, but those objects will only reach satellites that are in a seriously decaying orbit anyway. <br /><br />By doing what the Chinese did, break one up at a high perigee, you insure maximum danger to all LEO satellites for tens of years to come. Their action was extremely irresponsible. The US action is extremely responsible. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[PistolPete]

Speaking of the reckless Chinese ASAT test, doesn't this just chap your arse:<br /><br />Space.com: China Concerned of U.S. Spy Satellite Shot<br /><br />As if they had the right to get angry at us! <img src="/images/icons/mad.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p><em>So, again we are defeated. This victory belongs to the farmers, not us.</em></p><p><strong>-Kambei Shimada from the movie Seven Samurai</strong></p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Given the amount of debris from previous US anti satellite tests critcising te Chinese is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.<br /><br />Antisatellite tests are a really bad idea for everyone, regardless of who does them.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[Zipi]

It all depends the altitude is there any space debris impact to the space flying or not... In my mind this "test" is justifed pretty well because the risk of the hydrazine. Wheter this is a pure weapons test or if there is real risk of that hydrazine onboard of the satellite, I don't personally care. At least the US army has done pretty good job of informing the whole world and they probably get somehow good PR out of this.<br /><br />Of course Russia and China has to open their mouth about this issue in case there will be something bad happening because of this action. In case something unexpected happens then they can blame USA with the full magnitude. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Actually it is the USN that is firing the missile.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>