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[steve82]

"He declared that there shall be NO new ideas for this research & development project that we were working on. "<br /><br />We were going through a high attrition time late in the life of a project and software engineers were leaving in droves. The General manager banned going away lunch signs because he thought they contributed to bad morale.<br />

 

[n_kitson]

Excellent decision to get an MBA. I left engineering for the b-school route and then sold my soul to consulting. Haven't looked back since <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />When are you planning to go, and which schools are you focusing on?

 

[propforce]

<font color="yellow">I left engineering for the b-school route and then sold my soul to consulting. Haven't looked back since </font><br /><br />What a bunch of traitors <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[specfiction]

This country will reap what it sows. When you beat people up for being excellent--soon there are no excellent people left. The culture in our country has taken a hard turn away from science. It has embraced superstition and rhetoric.<br /><br />N_Kitson don't get me wrong, I endorse you decison--when the ship's sinking, only a fool would not run for the lifeboats. That's okay with me, but what bothers me is when they, the people, take a look around--shocked--and embark on a witch-hunt for the guilty. Just look in the mirror.

 

[propforce]

<font color="yellow">This country will reap what it sows. When you beat people up for being excellent--soon there are no excellent people left. The culture in our country has taken a hard turn away from science. It has embraced superstition and rhetoric.</font><br /><br /><br /><br />The beating will continue until the moral improves..... <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[egom]

Next step is to outsource R&D and make only the integration in US.<br /><br />EgoM

 

[specfiction]

That's already begun. Microsoft is starting R&D in India, and Chambers has declared Cisco a Chinese company.<br /><br />Also, at a time when we're so paranoid about national security, they're starting to write defense code abroad. Have you ever looked through a half-million lines of code you don't understand for anything unusual. You couldn't make this stuff up.

 

[propforce]

It's inevitable. Why would a CEO pay workers, blue or white collar, 300% ~ 500% higher wage when he can pay less and pay himself a higher bonus instead?<br /><br />20 years ago, the CEOs justified moving the manufacturing to oversea by arguing that it is the intellectual properties that will stay in this country and that's the most valuable. Well... DUH !! IP is easily most transportable commodity and those engineers in China and India are no less smarter than we are.<br /><br />Design anywhere... Build anywhere... is gutting the America's capability to its hollow core. <br /><br />Edit: <br />OK this is where I stand up on my soapbox and argue that these MBAs are trained to be short-sighted and lack strategic visions, slaved to chase the short-term profit and people's lives & jobs be damned in lieu of their "profolio performance".<br /><br />Maybe if we outsourced the MBAs to India and China, we could pay them a heck of lot less and probably get better quality of people. BTW -- how long before <i>that</i> becomes a reality, when those nations start to "manage" your R&D, design, engineering, manufacturing, import, export, buying, selling, and the finances that go along with it all.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[n_kitson]

There can be a synergestic relationship between business / MBAs and engineers when it comes to space. Afterall, Elon Musk studied at my alma mater <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />

 

[vt_hokie]

<i>When are you planning to go, and which schools are you focusing on? </i><br /><br />Which schools? I guess I'll start with the top tier schools and work my way down! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> I got into Columbia for engineering (started a masters degree in mechanical engineering part time, but never finished), but I don't know if I could get into an Ivy for business school. As for what other schools I might consider, I'm not sure. If I could get into Darden, I'd even consider UVa! (But I'd still root for the Hokies, of course!)<br /><br />I'm definitely thinking northeast U.S. or maybe California. Pretty much, the blue states! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> As for when, I've put it off for so long, but it has to be soon. I'm getting old (already 30...pretty scary), but I'm still single and not tied down. I have to get on the ball and start applying, and take the GMAT. I feel like I need some time off from work to just regain my bearings and get back on a normal sleep cycle. My job is killing me! Fortunately, I've built up enough savings to be able to take some time off. I'm more concerned about giving up medical benefits. The idea of getting injured and not having any medical coverage is one thing that scares me about becoming a bum. But I'm burned out and really need a break.

 

[nyarlathotep]

>>"There can be a synergestic relationship between business / MBAs and engineers when it comes to space. Afterall, Elon Musk studied at my alma mater"<br /><br />He also studied the physical sciences, he doesnt count. <br /><br />I'd also wait until he has had a successful launch before throwing a word like 'synergistic' around in a non-satiric context.

 

[n_kitson]

Good list of schools. Age unfortunately does play a roll. Wharton and Tuck lean towards older students. HBS and Stanford like 'em young.<br /><br />My views are, if you want finance, then Wharton, Chicago, Columbia in that order. Marketing is obviously Kellogg. General Management and consulting is HBS or Wharton. Sloan is obviously up there with the top 10, but tends to be a sausage fest.<br /><br />You can also consider LBS or INSEAD if you're open for a foreign program. INSEAD is a one year program and Kellogg offers a one year option, both attractive if you want to minimize your time out of the work force and the massive associated opportunity cost.<br /><br />Darden, Cornell and Tuck are all good niche schools. However, bear in mind that unless you have substantial savings, only Wharton and HBS have the star power to get banks to provide the unsecured $120k required!<br /><br />If you're interested in Wharton, shoot me a PM and we can swop emails. I can give you an overview of my experiences there, as well as some first hand insight into the admissions process.

 

[n_kitson]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>He also studied the physical sciences, he doesnt count.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />~35% of MBA students are engineers - a group that is the single biggest feeder to MBA programs. Yes, Musk did stufy physics, but he combined it with business at the Wharton School. Despite getting into a Stanford PhD program in physics, he declined admission and instead focused on his business interests with his PayPal precursor.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I'd also wait until he has had a successful launch before throwing a word like 'synergistic' around in a non-satiric context. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />*shrugs* he's making a real attempt. that's far more than most of us here are doing.