Hello everyone,<br />Venus is a hot planet right, what if there is a radio type tower that has been modified to absorb carbon dioxide and all the greenhouse gases in the world and then run a modified geothermal to absorb the heat and transfer it as power. Then the power would then trickle to the air purifier facility. Of course the entire operation would run underground. Just a test model to be made on earth until Nasa does want to settle on Venus, if they ever want to!! Plus with all of the greenhouse gas that are created already, modifying a geothermal plant to absorb all of the pollutive gases that are made already would raise the temperature an estimated 10 degrees for every 10 million polluted absorbed by my tower.
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Please read your post out loud, and then re-edit for clarity. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#ff0000"><strong>TPTB went to Dallas and all I got was Plucked !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#339966"><strong>So many people, so few recipes !!</strong></font></p><p><font color="#0000ff"><strong>Let's clean up this stinkhole !!</strong></font> </p> </div>
You can’t get energy from something just because it is hot, you need a temperature gradient to do work.<br /><br />The rest is meaningless as your main energy source won’t work.<br />
<font color="yellow"><i> Just a test model to be made on earth until Nasa does want to settle on Venus, if they ever want to!! </i></font><br /><br />That's why NASA should plan to go to Venus during winter, it will be much cooler at that time, even better if it is landed at night time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
IIRC, Venus is just as hot at night as it is during the day. I don't think Vebus has much of a winter either. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
<font color="yellow"><i>IIRC, Venus is just as hot at night as it is during the day. I don't think Vebus has much of a winter either. </i></font><br /><br />How do you know these things? Have you been to Venus? Does Venus rotate about the Sun in an elliptical (non-circular) orbit just like Earth does, therefore has summer and winter? Does Venus rotate about it's own axis therefore has night and day just like Earth does? Does it get cooler at night? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
propforce, umm the Earth doesn't have seasons because of its elliptical orbit. The Earth has seasons beacause the angle that solar rays come into contact with the northern hemisphere is greater in the winter then in the summer(with repsect to a line perpendicular of the earth's surface) therefore less energy is transmitted to the northern hemisphere. You DID know that in the southern hemisphere they have summer when we have winter right?<br /><br />Also venus's surface temperature doesn't vary that much with night and day because of how thick the atmosphere is. The atmosphere maintains a constant temperature on the planet for the most part.<br /><br />And yes Venus rotates about its own axis, every single known celestial body does so(I think? at least the 9 major planets and moons do, not 100% sure about asteriods, or planetiods) Scientists have studied the planets intensively and know quite a bit about the basic properties of the planets/moons. And like was said in a post above, Venus doesn't have much a winter, at least not what you think of as a winter where the planet would be much colder then it is in the "summer".<br /><br />Check this out<br />http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys301/lectures/sunmoon/sunmoon.html<br />Click on one of the applets to see how the angle that the solar rays hit the earth changes with the seasons.
><i>That's why NASA should plan to go to Venus during winter, it will be much cooler at that time, even better if it is landed at night time.</i><p>Good one. I half thought you were serious.</p>
Well well, this certainly isn't the way to make science gentlemen. One should NOT reject every proposal instantly, no matter how stupid they seem. Every proposal must be evaluated.<br /><br />So there is a seed of thought in this...
<font color="yellow">"Every proposal must be evaluated. "</font><br /><br />Certainly. That evaluation period need not be very long at all, however. If I tell you that I'm going to transit to Venus by eating an extra large helping of Pinto Beans and then flapping my arms vigorously -- the evaluation period for determining the feasibility of the idea should be on the order of seconds*. <br /><br />Likewise for the concept suggested. Heat is not an energy source. A heat <b>differential</b> is an energy source. If I had a magical cold sink that stayed at zero degrees C no matter how much heat I dumped into it, then I could use that to generate power here on Earth (at least whre the ambiant temperature is >zero C).<br /><br />Venus is hot -- everywhere on its surface. Hot enough to melt lead in fact. There is no way to make use of that heat unless there is a corresponding source of 'cold' (or at least 'less hot'). Read up on the Carnot Cycle. Research thermovolatiac devices. In all cases -- to generate energy, you'll find that a heat differential is required. The greater the <b>difference</b> in the two heat sources, the greater the potential for generating electrical (or mechanical) energy. Simply having a great deal of heat isn't sufficient.<br /><br />There is no seed of thought in this concept, and you have apparently given neither sufficient thought nor research into the subject, or you'd be as aware of the fact as the people you're attempting (badly) to chastise.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><i>* Excepting, of course, certain posters on the board who would likely suggest capturing expelled gasses in a balloon and using that for an air launch to make the concept workable. Other posters might well entertain the notion that Pinto Beans are a source of Metallic Hydrogen -- which when consumed would be transmuted into a highly energetic plasma which would then provide iSPs in the four digit range, making the concept workable. Still others might suggest</i>
You, Sir, get my Post of the Month award for that astrisk-ed aside <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
I'm well aware of the violations against the laws of physics this kind of project would require. I was just trying to show some undestanding towards the person who didn't hesitate to post this idea of his, which has probably popped into his mind while eating breakfast. <br /><br />Although now that I have read about the UFO sightings that this fella has "vitnessed", I don't have any sympathy anymore 
<font color="yellow">"I'm well aware of the violations against the laws of physics..."</font><br /><br />Then you educate the person posting such concepts with those laws. It does neither you, nor the poster, nor a third party reading the post *any* good to indicate the idea is worth considering when it obviously is not. However, teaching someone about scientific or engineering facts they didn't know (if they're willing and able to learn), is never a waste of time.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">"...who didn't hesitate to post this idea of his..."</font><br /><br />Hesitating before posting an idea -- at least for as long as is required to do a bit of research -- isn't necessarily 'a bad thing'. With the advent of Google, vast amounts of information are at the hands of *anyone* who is capable of posting to this forum. Innovation and invention are wonderful things. However, when a wondrous spark of insight hits between spoonfuls of Cocoa Pebbles, you must ask yourself: "Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?" If you present your idea to a large group of people without asking yourself that question *and* attempting to answer it, then whatever response you get if the idea is either unworkable or long-since discovered... is on your own head.
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p><i>* Excepting, of course, certain posters on the board who would likely suggest capturing expelled gasses in a balloon and using that for an air launch to make the concept workable. Other posters might well entertain the notion that Pinto Beans are a source of <font color="yellow">Metallic Hydrogen</font>-- which when consumed would be transmuted into a highly energetic plasma which would then provide iSPs in the four digit range, making the concept workable. Still others might suggest that Consuming Pinto Beans and then flapping your arms is a signal common to the ancient Iapetusians and this will activate the teleportation controls on that satellite and transport you to Venus. </i><p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Dear Sir,<br /><br />While I applaud your innovative illustration on the soundess of an idea, I must nevertheless point out an unfortunate technical error in your notation above, for the greater good of scientific community. <br /><br />I respectfully suggest that "... Pinto Beans are a source of <font color="yellow">Metallic</font>Hydrogen..." should be re-phrased as the "... Pinto Beans are a source of <font color="yellow">Metabolic</font>Hydrogen..." that, when consumed, undergoes anaerobic digestion thus produce hydrogen atoms firmly attaching itself to carbon atom. Our state-of-art laboratory analysis has shown that 4 hydrogen atoms to a single carbon atom arrangment is a most stable form of hydrogen transportation mechanism. <br /><br />We are currently negotiating a contract with GM applying our patent-pending concept to their new fleet of hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles - by transporting hydrogen in aqueous solution firmly attaching themselves to carbon molecules.<br /><br />We've also discovered that we could generate the metabolic hydrogen via anaerobic digestion using argiculture feedstocks, such as farm animal manures. We found that we could acquire this fe <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
I agree with what some people are stating but some weird reason the stuff I'm stating also isn't really published. That and the entire facility is just one but radiator, besides being a geothermal plant. It's very ironic as to what would be the cooler source, as with most power plants. That reminds me I read once in an article that mercury was to be used as a coolant in a fission power plant. The only problem is that I can't recall as to where I read this. Now to the proposed prototype plant for Venus (which would be built on earth since I don't know if venus has any water, plus cooling on Venus would be a problem), since the green house gases block sunlight diverting heat to power would be easy since the exterior would be very hot. Why it would be very hot would be the propose static tower that would absorb the pollution from the entire world, since pollution is made by burning fuel, operating factories, other waste production methods, etc. If you have any questions just ask. I tend to remember stuff that even normal people have not learned as from schooling, and nor am I able to support this until I know where (might be the reason why I'm not abducted). The UFO's that has been there, as I witnessed, are probably from the military. I'm not certain either as to why the protection and also the special treatment, well that and these guys are cloaked with some specteral cloak or something. That and I'm probably not able to witness what really happened. There is a lot about my childhood that I had a question about. It's probably the same group too that has been doing this. As when I was younger I was also scared to go out in the dark ( green boogey monster), but besides that there is also another I was afraid of that has come back, but that was there to protect me not to scare me. Besides how many times do you see space aliens in futuristic military plate armored space suits, but then again I doubt I'm even allowed to post that.
Remeber the hydrothermal proposition for generating energy in the sea!Consider the air density of Venus & then figure on floating a power station.
His ufo experiences should add to his credibility. I don't think his system is workable, but there may be other systems that can extract energy from Venus. Most of the objections are good mainstream science, but you could have been more tactful and suggested some more workable approaches as jgrtmp did. Neil
One problem being; if you converted all metabolic waste we produce to Methane and used that to build longer, more stable, hydrocarbons it would take pretty much the entire land area to grow the crops needed. Another problem is the carbon dioxide problems it would cause, or rather make even worse. True, circulating Carbon already in the environment would do less damage than adding new Carbon like we do with oil.<br /><br />I would think it would be better to convert the CH4 to Carbon and water and either use or sequester the Carbon.<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
><i>True, circulating Carbon already in the environment would do less damage than adding new Carbon like we do with oil.</i><p>No, not less damage, zero damage. In fact, given the fact that some small percentage of the carbon will be converted to soot, there will be a slight net reduction in the amount of CO<sub>2</sub> in circulation.</p>
<font color="yellow">"there will be a slight net reduction in the amount of CO2 in circulation."</font><br /><br />Properly managed field is a major carbon sink. There's always plant residue that never leaves the plot (leafs, straw, roots etc.) The residue does decompose releasing CO<sub>2</sub>, but especially in no-till farming with minimum disturbance of the soil, the rate of decomposing is slower than the rate new residue is produced. The net effect is sequestering carbon into humus.
<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Heat is not an energy source. A heat differential is an energy source. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />There is a great source of incredible cold at Venus. Isn't space itself running at 3 degrees above absolute zero? That harsh coldness lies just outside the Venusian atmosphere. If one could make a heat conduit between the two and let the surface heat radiate into space, then you could make a power station, right? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
Right.<br /><br />So how are you going to float a thermocouple and radiator in free space?<br /><br />Plus the gradient is rather shallow, 900k to 3k over 100km. (very roughly)<br />
<font color="yellow">". If one could make a heat conduit between the two ..."</font><br /><br />Yep -- as soon as we build what is essentially a space elevator on Venus (with all of the engineering challenges thereof), that can withstand the Venusian heat, <b>and</b> also has superconductive properties, then it will be possible to make use of the heat differential.<br /><br />However -- if we're going the route of wishful engineering -- it would actually be easier to build massive solar power satellites in Venusian orbit and beam the power to the surface.
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