Why does classical physics gravity formulas/measurements do not work at a quantum level, what’s missing?

[jhixon]

So when we think about the laws of motion and the effects of gravity and it’s new counterpart “reverse gravity”, we know that the type of mass (positive or negative) directly affects the direction of gravities force. Positive mass creates “normal” gravity and pushes the object in the same direction of force (Newton’s Laws), while negative mass causes the reverse effects. While the mass determines the direction of gravities force, what would cause the strength of gravity?

Laws of gravitation say that object 1’s force affecting object 2 from center to center. While the measurement of strength could be determined based on distance between the two objects, it’s not the distance or the mass that determines the amount of gravities strength. Which is why these formulas/methods fail at the quantum level because gravity is weak and does NOT work this way. We think it works this way because we think in terms of matter and not what we can’t see. We must be missing something, but what? The question of why Newtonian Mechanics does not work at small scales and why we need to use quantum mechanics is not straightforward to answer.

Let me answer this for you simply.

We have to start at the simplest concept. Ask ourselves what causes gravity? Einstein showed us that what causes gravity is the displacement of space, not anything to do with matter per se. We may have visually thought in our mind that the object/matter was the cause of displacement, but it’s not which is why none of the formulas work, so it must be wrong. So what is it exactly other than mass or matter that could be displacing space causing gravity to occur? What does space contain? Since everything in our entire universe is energy, matter is energy, phono/ sonic sound is energy, photon/light is energy, electrical energy, kinetic energy, nuclear energy, ionization energy, mechanical energy (possibly), thermal energy, and chemical energy. In our universe we see roughly 20% of matter which is only a small part of the list we just reviewed. So what is the remaining part that’s not physical matter in our universe from this list that could also displace space? Electrical energy, photon/light is energy, kinetic energy, nuclear energy, ionization energy, thermal energy, chemical energy, sonic energy are what is remaining. These are all energies, so it’s the amount of energy in the object that is displacing space that determines the strength of gravity and nothing to do with mass or matter which is why Newtonian Mechanics don't work for atoms and it turns out that quantum mechanics makes a good job of predicting energies. The key word is energies.

The more energy an object has, the stronger the gravity is regardless of which direction the force is applied in normal or reverse. One could also determine that the gravitational constant is based on amount of energy of the object and is proportional. When we look at a quark and the force of gravity holding it together is very weak, so at the quantum level gravity is very weak because it’s a small amount (size/quantity) of energy, and energy is proportional to gravities strength. When a force applied is stronger than gravities strength, the bond breaks or gravity fails to hold it together. This would fundamentally work at the quantum scale and classical physics at the same time. Has anyone considered that energies may be the key to making both classical physics and quantum physics work together in determining gravities strength and functional formulas that work at large scale and the quantum scale at the same time? Has this been worked as gravity formulas based on energy and not based on mass? Since Newton Laws clearly don’t work at all outside of large bodies and even then, it’s approximately close but not exact?

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results”.

 

[promytius]

You're too young to remember when cars were started with a crank; you had to crank it, over and over, in order to start it, so you did the same thing over and over until it worked....just sayin'

 

[jhixon]

You're too young to remember when cars were started with a crank; you had to crank it, over and over, in order to start it, so you did the same thing over and over until it worked....just sayin'

And we wonder why we haven't advanced in classical physics in 100 years and actually came up with formulas that work in all areas of physics.

 

[ChrisA]

My opinion is that classical physics is just a shortcut. It is the result of summing trillions of quantum effects.

Other examples of this are

(1) the illusion of solid surfaces. We all know that a brick wall is a mostly empty space. But at the macro level, it seems solid. Why. It is the effect of trillions of negatively charged electrons in the wall interacting with trillions of trillions of electrons in your hand and the electric fields repel each other. The wall seems solid. But solidity disappears at the quantum scale. Solidity is "emergent".

(2) General relativity is likely also an emergent effect, like solidity. But we just don't know what it emerges from. Likely even our now-standed quantum mechanics is also emergent from something else.

(3) If you want the ultimate emergent shortcut look at chemistry. It is a quick way to predict how matter reacts with matter. we all know things like "valence" are fake but it makes it easy to predict what will happen.

The problem is that it appears physically impossible to even know what is at the bottom layer. It is likely unobservable. (Yes, I'd like to be wrong.)

Now my point: The existence of solid surfaces is not "wrong". At our level, they exist. General Relativity seems to be real too. Even if both are only illusions that emerge from some underlying physics, they are still real in that they offer observable, testable, and predictive science.

My opinion: If GR is not "real", then neither are solid surfaces. It is OK to reject both but not one. Either both are real or both are "useful fictions".

 

[jhixon]

Love your analogy, however any real theory must work in all instances in space and time, that’s just our universe

 

[CryptoCraig]

Understanding Classical Physics at Micro and Macro Scales

The definition of a gravitational singularity is "a point in which gravity is so intense that spacetime itself becomes ill-defined."

Singularities exist at the largest of scales, black holes at the center of galaxies, and I'd like to hypothesize, singularities exist at much smaller scales, particles within atoms.

Spacetime warps due to gravity, until gravity reaches a certain strength. Once a mass, or masses, become so great, a singularity is created, AKA a black hole. Black holes do much more than 'warp' spacetime, they completely rip spacetime apart. Once matter passes the event horizon, that matter will not exit the singularity.

A hypothesis of mine, gives subatomic particles similar properties to that of black holes. Particles are singularities and thus, have an event horizon. This is why particles are held together, defying classical physics. Time-dialation effects at the event horizons of particles could also account for objects, like a brick wall, to seem solid to an observer, when in reality, we know it's mostly empty space.

Now, why is the Universe's expansion defying gravity by its expansion accelerating? It is either because of what happens to matter as it enters black holes or we are in a black hole.

Can we remove dark matter and dark energy?