Question Will there be deep space travel in the next half century

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The whole issue of mass has limited our venture to anywhere close to the speed of light. Mass is a manifestation of interaction between matters and Higgs Boson Field. What if, there is anti-Higgs Boson particles that can counter the interaction of matter with that Field? What if, matter can become massless? Acceleration to the speed of light and even beyond will not be inhibited. Haven't we seen the white Tic Tac UFO flying in ways not obeying Newton's Law of motion?
 
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Interstellar travel (outside solar system) will not be possible for at least 3000 years.

You should take into account that every technology that we discover takes centuries to improve, for example:

1. Car manufacturing and improvement took centuries and we still don't drive electric cars and there aren't flying cars, both of which makes sense and will likely become true on global scale.

2. We discovered AI, however it will takes centuries until the AI improves to reasonable levels.

3. The most important discovery ever in human life is the letter, it took 2000! years until that progressed to discovery of computers and internet. (information technology)

You name the rest, progression and improvement counts in centuries and millennias.

There are 3 main factors:

1. Current technology and scientific growth
2. Economy
3. Priority

Space technology is some 100 years old and we still haven't reached mars.
We may call our self technologically advanced but space travel is neither affordable nor priority.
So a minimum of 3000 years is reasonable time span.
 

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The devil is in the detail
FTL (faster than light) travel may forever be forbidden if the 'laws' of physics apply generally (which is not to say that they won't). Likewise, there are very strong contradictions which make stargates and wormholes very, very unlikely.

Any travel beyond Mars (until there is sound scientific fact to the contrary) is just as unlikely as unstriped zebras with two heads and seven legs. These may well exist somewhere, but I would not put money on their being found in the next 3000 years (if ever).

Cat :)
 
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is just as unlikely as unstriped zebras with two heads and seven legs
Don't be so pessimistic.

It's well known our imagination is a victim of intellect, but not conversely.
Intelligent species exist for some 200 000 year on Earth, but somehow the letter was discovered only 5000 years ago. why not before?
Because nobody ever consider imagination as very important, imagination is often classified as stupidity, but the fact is that only imagination is capable to go beyond intellect.

Speaking of AI to person 200 years ago would sound like stupidity for example, just like FTL sounds like stupidity now, that's just one example.

google out for "science fiction that become true" for more, obviously sci-fi was and still is just a human imagination, but would that ever become true without imagination? :cool:

travel may forever be forbidden if the 'laws' of physics apply generally (which is not to say that they won't)
That's right, the laws of physics are not final and don't even apply everywhere.
The laws of quantum world and black holes are just the beginning toward proving the laws of physics are not the final word.
 
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William Thompson, 1st Baron Kelvin, circa 1880s-1890CE -- "Heavier than air flight is not possible."

John von Neumann circa mid to late 1940s -- "Computers will grow to occupy entire warehouses and city blocks. Only the richest nations and corporations will be able to afford one."

Albert Einstein 1932 -- "There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. That would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will."

And on, and on, and on, and on.....
 
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Interstellar travel (outside solar system) will not be possible for at least 3000 years.

You should take into account that every technology that we discover takes centuries to improve, for example:

1. Car manufacturing and improvement took centuries and we still don't drive electric cars and there aren't flying cars, both of which makes sense and will likely become true on global scale.

2. We discovered AI, however it will takes centuries until the AI improves to reasonable levels.

3. The most important discovery ever in human life is the letter, it took 2000! years until that progressed to discovery of computers and internet. (information technology)

You name the rest, progression and improvement counts in centuries and millennias.

There are 3 main factors:

1. Current technology and scientific growth
2. Economy
3. Priority

Space technology is some 100 years old and we still haven't reached mars.
We may call our self technologically advanced but space travel is neither affordable nor priority.
So a minimum of 3000 years is reasonable time span.
Or maybe never or maybe tomorrow,
A leap in tech of some mechanism that bypass regular space could happen at any time or it might not exist.
Gravity seems to bypass the laws of C travel so IMO it exists.

Ever wonder if our current tech is some dead end that we are traveling on a tech path that goes nowhere?
How would we know we are traveling on a dead tech path until advancement seems to cease or get very slow. (like now)

Something as simple as SPAD communications or a bypass of space/time would render everything before obsolete.
 
Don't be so pessimistic.

It's well known our imagination is a victim of intellect, but not conversely.
Intelligent species exist for some 200 000 year on Earth, but somehow the letter was discovered only 5000 years ago. why not before?
Because nobody ever consider imagination as very important, imagination is often classified as stupidity, but the fact is that only imagination is capable to go beyond intellect.

Speaking of AI to person 200 years ago would sound like stupidity for example, just like FTL sounds like stupidity now, that's just one example.

google out for "science fiction that become true" for more, obviously sci-fi was and still is just a human imagination, but would that ever become true without imagination? :cool:



That's right, the laws of physics are not final and don't even apply everywhere.
The laws of quantum world and black holes are just the beginning toward proving the laws of physics are not the final word.
As Albert said ...Math gets you from point A to B but imagination gets you across the universe. :)
If the discovery happens it will be imagination and out of the box thinking.
 
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Do we even need a tech leap to visit the stars?
Self replicating Robots and DNA are both just fine for long distance/time space missions.
We could keep space vehicle small and fast and approach 1/4c with current tech.
We could start out to all the stars now if we set it as a goal but just go as plans.
After 30 years the robot ship arrives at the first star.
It sets up camp for DNA.
The robot multiplies to 10x and sets out to 10 new stars all carrying DNA plans.
30 years later we have visited 10 more stars and set up 10 more camps.
ETC.

If we build cars in one country we just use plans and not send the car to build it.
 
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A leap in tech of some mechanism that bypass regular space could happen at any time or it might not exist.
Gravity seems to bypass the laws of C travel so IMO it exists.
One early possibility may be a combination of teleportation, simulation or nanotech.

We may not be able to physically travel to remote worlds, but we may be able to send information used to reconstruct virtual bodies, something like 3D printing on destination planet.

Ever wonder if our current tech is some dead end that we are traveling on a tech path that goes nowhere?
We are always on a path which requires prioritized improvements of discovered inventions.
But this does not imply lack of space\time\resources to discover new inventions.

It's a 2 step process:
1. Invention (depends on existing knowledge)
2. Testing and improvement loop (depends on affordability and priority)

Do we even need a tech leap to visit the stars?
We need peace in the world to let us focus and reroute resources on research more.
More of the global population needs to be engaged into science instead of being imprisoned by the few.
 
One early possibility may be a combination of teleportation, simulation or nanotech.

We may not be able to physically travel to remote worlds, but we may be able to send information used to reconstruct virtual bodies, something like 3D printing on destination planet.


We are always on a path which requires prioritized improvements of discovered inventions.
But this does not imply lack of space\time\resources to discover new inventions.

It's a 2 step process:
1. Invention (depends on existing knowledge)
2. Testing and improvement loop (depends on affordability and priority)


We need peace in the world to let us focus and reroute resources on research more.
More of the global population needs to be engaged into science instead of being imprisoned by the few.
When the goal of humanity is $ and focus of individual countries being as nasty as possible to other countries to make an unreal advance for no real reward, it's a pretty sad statement of humanity.

Until that changes the stars really are out of reach.
 
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Catastrophe

The devil is in the detail
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If you disagree with Hippocrates, tell him, not me.

I think he means that unsubstantiated opinion should be treated with caution, but perhaps one should make up one's own mind on that point.

Cat :) :) :)
 
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