><i>Look, just do the work. Then we can talk some more.<br /><br />What's the problem.... My trace only took, like 45 min...</i><p>"8. When all else fails, start asking hypothetical questions that have nothing to do with the actual debate. If your opponent chooses to ignore your pointless questions and remains on topic, repeat your meaningless question(s) over and over. This will make any Believers in the audience think that your opponent is evading the issue."</p>
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Man, cat, whatever. As long as you think it was built by aliens and buy the book they really don't care what you think it looks like. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
><i>Not to mention TVF's EPH and the chronicled, peer reviewed history of the subject since 1976.</i><p>"29. Keep trotting out the one "respectable" scientist who might possibly have said something that could be construed as perhaps giving a hint that it may theoretically support your position. Even better if said scientist has said it outright. Ignore all complaints that the work is 50 years out of date, the scientist has no experience in the field in question or that other experts in the same field think said scientist is a complete loony (and they can prove it, too)."</p>
><i>I haven't assumed people are disagreeing w/ me blindly. I've pointed out the flaws in their reasoning and proved that they are. In order to reject my argument, they have to try to reproduce my results. <b>Type all you want, it doesn't make my trace invalid until one of you shows otherwise.</b> That's science</i><p>"6. If you're cornered and asked for proof of something, always tell the person that they "can't disprove" your claims. Many of them will just walk away shaking their heads, which of course means they agree with you. A side-to-side head shake could be the same as a vertical nod. Anything is possible, after all."</p>
Well, I need your help to clear things up, Centsworth <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />Half humanoid / half lion....I think.<br /><br />Would you rather I turned things upside down on you, and said, 1/2 lion, 1/4 humanoid, 1/4 gray alien? Lol, no I don't think it is.... But that's perspective....looking at it from every angle. An argument could be made.... Can you make it?<br /><br />How many of you even thought to turn the FOM upside down? Hmm?<br /><br />Please, I'd like to see what you all are capable of.<br /><br />TRACE THE FACE! Ready,,,,GO!
centsworth, I have found the model that posed for the FOM. You will be surprised at the implications.. It's actually both human and lion... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>
Ha! Good. Somewhere Maxtheknife is rubbing his chin, nodding admiring approval. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
NajaB, <br /><br />Your post is very telling and encapsulates many ideas. <br />You said, "it's wild supposition". To say the least! <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />The notion of "pyramids" and "sphinxes" abounding in Egypt AND the Americas is trying enough. The idea that SOMEHOW, these symbols seem to carry a message, across time AND space, just boggles a rational mind. And yet, there we are. Remeber Carl Sagan's suggestions: "to look much more closely at the pyramids and what some people call the Face and the city..."<br /><br />You said, further, "Wait, I suppose it is possible that tens of millions of years ago a race of intelligent beings carved a mountain into the shape of a half lion, half human face. Though one would have to wonder why, considering that neither humans nor humans exsisted yet, and never would evolve on that planet."<br /><br />Enter the notions of the Artificial crowd, including Richard Hoagland. If the Face is a construction, is it a carved mesa, or a giant archology, as Richard has suggested? Is it a badly eroded hominid face, or a "split glyph", a true sphinx, a homind/feline morph, a representation of something important, something very ancient? <br />And if this is true, and SOMEBODY depicted a hominid face long before hominids existed (by our acknowledged timelines), does this push us to Graham Hancock's idea that we are "a species with amnesia"?<br /><br />Enter again the exploded planet theory. Whether we "originated" on Mars or Earth is moot. If, however, the catastrophe that destroyed Mars also effected Earth, plunging us into the Ice Age that killed the dinosaurs, the very few remnants of that pre-historical, solar system-wide HUMAN civilization might contain clues as to how to AVOID such catastrophes in the future. Certainly worth the gamble, in my opinion. And I do NOT want to hear about budget. We have spent trillions looking for non-existant WMDs. Spending some billions on a fleet of robots with live TV fee <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
<font color="yellow">"Hey, guys, what about the 'white pimple.'"</font><br /><br />Pop it and riches will be yours.<br /><br />Pimples were sacred to the ancient martian cultures. Adolescence was revered for the sacred bounty bestowed. Pimples which arrived later in life were seen as signs of good fortune and piety. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
That last one looks like Utah. It was natural all along and you have finally discovered it on your own <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
No, but there is a fossil of a ten mile long fish on the right, center high. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
Zen says: <font color="yellow"> What's remote is the notion that NASA will EVER test the theories about Cydonia. It could be EASILY accomplished. </font><br /><br />Ok, you donate the first billion dollars, and get 99 friends to do the same, and NASA would probably be happy to drop a rover on Cydonia. Until then, trying to appease the wild speculations of a few very loud wingnuts is not in NASA’s charter or their mission statement. <br /><br />Zen says: <font color="yellow"> . But what if it turned out to be artificial? What if, in the libraries beneath, we found……………….</font><br /><br />Good grief! That is what Leo meant about “fanciful theories”, and I think he was being very gracious.<br /><br />Zen says: <font color="yellow"> What would all of this do to our US economy? To our position as a Military Superpower? </font><br /><br />If everyone gets the same technology, we would still be on top. If we got all the technology, we’d still be on top. IOW, nothing would really change.<br /><br />Zen says: <font color="yellow"> What if we found that we are not FROM here? </font><br /><br />You mean all those fossil records, all the DNA and RNA track is some cosmic coincidence?<br /><br />Zen says: <font color="yellow"> What would we do about our various religions, if we found out that they are all only a dim recollection of an ancient time, </font><br /><br />Virtually all the major religions can be traced back to specific times, events, and sociological conditions. No mystery there.<br /><br />Zen quoted: <font color="yellow"> "I [therefore] hope that forthcoming American and Russian missions to Mars, especially orbiters with high-resolution television cameras, will make a special effort -- among hundreds of other scientific questions -- to look much more closely at the pyramids and what some people call the Face and the city..." </font><br /><br />That is exactly what Odyssey 2001 did, and it showed an eroded mesa.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
Great points, as usual, Zen.<br /><br />Do you think they would acknowledge the FOM as artificial if there was a big neon sign over it that said "HORUS WAS HERE?"<br /><br />Maybe you and I can talk amongst ourselves while they scramble to avoid tracing the face for themselves.<br /><br />I won't let it go. If I did, you all would be accurately labeled 'pseudoscientists'.<br /><br />Interesting pic, Chemist.... Symbolism abounds. Especially at Disney! How close are you willing to look??? That's definitely a topic for another thread. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Once again,,,, for my new friend, Colin..... <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
Uh, yeah. We read/heard you the first time, MA. /* ad hominem deleted */<br /><br />MA- "If everyone gets the same technology, we would still be on top. If we got all the technology, we’d still be on top. IOW, nothing would really change."<br /><br />"Virtually all the major religions can be traced back to specific times, events, and sociological conditions. No mystery there."<br /><br />Maybe if your ideas made sense, we could include you in the conversation. For quite a while now, you've been the single most ignorable poster in the thread. Keep up the bad work. You're more of a help to my cause sitting on THAT side of the fence. <br /><br />Why don't you do some tracing for us and contribute something meaningful to the discussion.
zen says: <font color="yellow"> Enter again the exploded planet theory. </font><br /><br />Hardly a theory since there is no competent theory of how a planet could “explode”, and no evidence of the remains of even a very small planet. It’s more like unsupported conjecture.<br /><br />zen says: <font color="yellow"> Whether we "originated" on Mars or Earth is moot. </font><br /><br />No, it is not. It is the pivotal point of this entire discussion. <font size="+2">IF</font> (and that’s a big if) we ever do find definitive evidence of previous intelligent life on Mars, then we can reevaluate our beliefs. Until then, all credible evidence says that humans lived on Earth, not on Mars.<br /><br />zen says: <font color="yellow"> If, however, the catastrophe that destroyed Mars also effected Earth, plunging us into the Ice Age that killed the dinosaurs, the very few remnants of that pre-historical, solar system-wide HUMAN civilization might contain clues as to how to AVOID such catastrophes in the future. </font><br /><br />Since there are NO clues of such a catastrophe, or of a “civilization” that preceded such a catastrophe and was subsequently wiped out, then such an event did not take place. We can search the geological records back billions of years with no trace of what you allude to. If it had been here, we would be able to find traces of it everywhere. We have not.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
Goodness, Max is trying soooooo hard to hurt my feelings. A different approach, but still ad hominem. <br /><br />So, you think that if you simply ignore the valid points I made, that they will magically go away?<br />The points remain, whether you choose to address them or not.<br /><br /><font color="yellow"> Why don't you do some tracing for us…………… </font><br /><br />It has already been done, many times over. (both tracing religions and tracing lines over the Cydonia Mesa images)<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>
lolol...Naja.........
<br /><br />"Pimples which arrived later in life were seen as signs of good fortune and piety." ( CentsworthII )<br /><br />"Oh, the burden of being a mod..."<br />-----------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Ezekiel 41:18-20 (King James Version):<br /><br />18) "... and every cherub had two faces; <br /><br />19) So that the face of a man was toward the palm tree on the one side, and the face of a young lion toward the palm tree on the other side"<br /> ---------------------------------------------<br /><br />Vedas (Hindu book "Nrsimha-Purana"<br /><br />"God who in the Satya-Yuga appeared as a half-man, half-lion to cure a terrible disease that had ravaged the daityas, and who in the Treta-Yuga appeared as a person named Rama" <br />---------------------------------------<br /><br />"A combination of man and lion, Narasimha represents another form of Vishnu. Narasimha is especially the embodiment of valour which is a divine attribute and hence worshipped by rulers and warriors."<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>
<br /><br />"Pimples which arrived later in life were seen as signs of good fortune and piety." ( CentsworthII )<br /><br />"Oh, the burden of being a mod..."<br />-----------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Ezekiel 41:18-20 (King James Version):<br /><br />18) "... and every cherub had two faces; <br /><br />19) So that the face of a man was toward the palm tree on the one side, and the face of a young lion toward the palm tree on the other side"<br /> ---------------------------------------------<br /><br />Vedas (Hindu book "Nrsimha-Purana"<br /><br />"God who in the Satya-Yuga appeared as a half-man, half-lion to cure a terrible disease that had ravaged the daityas, and who in the Treta-Yuga appeared as a person named Rama" <br />---------------------------------------<br /><br />"A combination of man and lion, Narasimha represents another form of Vishnu. Narasimha is especially the embodiment of valour which is a divine attribute and hence worshipped by rulers and warriors."<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>Show me.... You've shown you can talk, time to show me some actual work.<br /><br />Fantastic post, Zen. Fantastic. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />
><i>Maybe if your ideas made sense, we could include you in the conversation. For quite a while now, you've been the single most ignorable poster in the thread.</i><p>"22. Refer to anyone who does not immediately agree with you as being uneducated on the matter, lacking in important information, or just plain too stupid to understand your magnificent statements."</p>
Colin, while tracing the FOM, I noticed something interesting. <br /><br />I was working in Windows Paint. I was using the paintbrush to free style.<br /><br />You should have a crosshaired mouse icon. Put it on the pimple. The lines that converge there.....Somebody care to measure their angles?<br /><br />Or is that angels?<br /><br />Zen, they've failed to turn in their homework assignments and you have moved on to chapter 12.<br /><br />How can we proceed if they won't do the work?<br /><br />You all don't have to participate in this thread, but you choose to. I don't want to be the one typing ad hominems, but give me a break. I've taken on the apparent best SDC has to offer on the subject (with a little help from my friends ) and cornered them on a specific necessity of the scientific process. That being, experimentation. <br /><br />I think I deserve a little attitude if it pleases the court.<br /><br />TRACE THE FACE.<br /><br />Hm, if no one does, I may open a thread in Free space where I post all my tracings of the FOM and invite you all to do the same. Now that would be interesting....an actual experiment on SDC Forum...all diferent images..... <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br /><br /><br />
) and cornered them on a specific necessity of the scientific process. That being, experimentation. <br /><br />I think I deserve a little attitude if it pleases the court.<br /><br />TRACE THE FACE.<br /><br />Hm, if no one does, I may open a thread in Free space where I post all my tracings of the FOM and invite you all to do the same. Now that would be interesting....an actual experiment on SDC Forum...all diferent images..... <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br /><br /><br />Max, as far as I can see have not answered any of my questions. Your closest attempts have been to say that it looks like a perfect human face, a perfect lion face, and a deformed lion face. Please make your mind up. You have also tried to use a THEMIS image to show that the eastern side has unusual reflectance. This is clearly not the case, as I have shown.<br /><br />Nor have you addressed the diagrams address the naturalness of the morphology, the lack of precise orthogonality, and the fact of symmetry (The face on "Mars" posts 2, 3, and 4iii at <br />http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=seti&Number=153569&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=15&vc=1). <br />Until you respond sensibly to my questions in good faith, why should I answer yours? When you have, list your questions in itemised form and I will address them.<br /><br />Of course you could be just yanking people's chains.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em> Arthur Clarke</p> </div>
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