A CIVILIZATION on MARS? 1B/200M Years Ago? (Pt. 2)

[najab]

Continuation of this thread.

 

[maxtheknife]

Perfect.... Now would be a good time for Jon to answer some of MY questions....<br /><br />Since nobody pointed any out, I must have answered all of your questions, Jon. It's your turn to answer some of mine.<br /><br />You have as much time as you need. The FOM isn't going anywhere. You can start w/ providing the data that shows the FOM lit from the western side. Then you can try retracing the face, retracing ALL the lines like I did. Please tell me why the split faced carvings I posted show no symmetry, yet you insist that the FOM MUST be symmetric, etc. That would be a good starting point.<br /><br />Let's not forget the general jist of my refutation of Jon's analysis. If the FOM is indeed real, and if indeed it is really old, there will obviously be evidence of erosion. Jon refuses to approach the question from an artificial perspective. If you see the lion's face in my TRACE, you see the lion's face. Please admit it so we can move on.<br /><br />Telfrow..... When does the challenging debate begin? That pumkin was the best you could do? I'm so disappointed. <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /><br /><br /><br />Anyone going to try and reproduce my results?<br /><br />Mental Avenger? Steve? Any other mental giants from SDC? Bring it on..... I'm getting bored.....

 

[najab]

><i>If you see a lion's face in my TRACE, you see the lion's face.</i><p>I see the Lion's face in your trace because you drew a picture of Lion's face. We (or at least I) don't see <b>anything</b> unusual when I look at an unadulterated image of the 'Face' mesa, because there's nothing unusual there. It really is just a trick of light and shadow - the Viking picture <b>does</b> look like a face, every one since has not.</p>

 

[maxtheknife]

DID NOT DRAW!!! TRACED.....Please try it yourself.

 

[telfrow]

Max: You’re denying the Great Pumpkin of Rhea exists?<br /><br />It's obviously there. All you have to do is trace the outline. And the implications are staggering.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

DRAW: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=draw<br /><br />TRACE: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=trace<br /><br />SCIENCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=science<br /><br />PSEUDOSCIENCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pseudoscience<br /><br />If none of you try to reproduce my results, you are all, by definition, practicing pseudoscience.

 

[najab]

><i>If none of you try to reproduce my results, you are all, by definition, practicing pseudoscience.</i><p>If someone claims that a pumpkin, dropped off the top of the Empire State Building, will fall, hit the street and bust I don't have to try to repeat the experiment - I can use theory to deduce that their result is in accordance with known physics and can be taken as correct.<p>By the same token, if someone else claims that a pumpkin, dropped off the top of the Empire State Building, will fall <b>upwards</b> and impact the Moon I don't have to try and repeat the experiment to know that it is <b>not</b> in accordance with known physics and can be taken as wrong.<p>Now, if a third person claims that the pumpkin will land in Jersey - then I might have an experiment!</p></p></p>

 

[maxtheknife]

Less typing, more tracing....please. You've a hypothesis to test for homework.

 

[najab]

><i>You've a hypothesis to test for homework.</i><p>What you've presented isn't a hypothesis, it's wild supposition. There's a difference. Wait, I suppose it <b>is</b> possible that tens of millions of years ago a race of intelligent beings carved a mountain into the shape of a half lion, half human face. Though one would have to wonder why, considering that neither humans nor humans exsisted yet, and <b>never</b> would evolve on that planet.</p>

 

[telfrow]

Okay, Max. I’ll be serious for a while.<br /><br />One of the things that bothers me about debates like this is the fact that you assume anyone who disagrees with your position does so blindly. You assume these individuals reject your argument out of hand, without any investigation or thought. <br /><br />I can’t speak for anyone else here, but in my case, that’s just not true. I was 26 when the first “Face” photo appeared. And, to be truthful, I was hooked. The idea there was a face on Mars, and evidence of a past civilization, was something I’d dreamed of since I was a kid. I bought every book I could find, scoured every photo I could lay my hands on, traced the face, did the geometry, analyzed the D&M…you name it.<br /><br />Over the past twenty-some-odd years, I’ve continued to read and investigate…from both “sides” of the issue. Pro and con. And I continue to do it to this day.<br /><br />And believe it or not, I reached my <i>own</i> conclusion concerning the face some time ago. That conclusion? The first photo looked like a face. Subsequent photos look like an eroded mountain or mesa. I came to the very private conclusion that if I needed someone to draw lines on a mountain to tell me what I was seeing, then there was something intrinsically wrong with the theory I’d subscribed to. But that’s just me.<br /><br />Trace it? No thanks.. Been there. Done that.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Thank you, Telfrow.... I knew you could be serious.<br /><br />I haven't assumed people are disagreeing w/ me blindly. I've pointed out the flaws in their reasoning and proved that they are. In order to reject my argument, they have to try to reproduce my results. Type all you want, it doesn't make my trace invalid until one of you shows otherwise. That's science. I've acknowledged Jon's geological assesment and I agreed w/ it.....100%. SInce I agree w/ his assesment, I don't need to reproduce his results.<br /><br />I've submitted a trace of the FOM which, by many in your camp's admission, clearly resembles a lion. Soooooo, it becomes incumbent upon your camp to try and reproduce my results.<br /><br />Been there, done that? Show me, lest you be labeled what RCH has....a pseudoscientist.

 

[maxtheknife]

Naj- "and never would evolve on that planet."<br /><br />Talk about wild supposition.<br /><br />HYPOTHESIS: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Hypothesis<br /><br />SUPPOSITION: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=supposition<br /><br />Turn in your homework or go to the back of the class.....

 

[thechemist]

maxtheknife,<br /><br />Have a good look at this image (top right). This face does not even need tracing. It's there for everyone to see. <br />Does it mean the devil is martian ? Nope. Just that our mind has a mind of its own.<br /><br />P.S. This image is a crop from a contrast-enhanced version of an ESA image, that rlb2 posted in the Images of Mars thread in SS&A (08/05/04 08:43 PM post). I copy it here without his permission, I hope he is ok with this. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[najab]

So you're saying that you have a reasonable scientific proof that either lions and/or humans evolved or will evolve on Mars?

 

[maxtheknife]

Yes, I have the FOM and all the other enigmas at Cydonia....Not to mention TVF's EPH and the chronicled, peer reviewed history of the subject since 1976.<br /><br />Finished your homework assignment yet? <br /><br />Chemist, where's your assignment?

 

[najab]

That, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of circular logic.<br /><br />"The face on Mars is artificial, made by a race of beings who I can prove existed because they made the face on Mars."

 

[thechemist]

Why don't you stop giving assignments for a moment and enlighten us<br />with your comments about the devil's face ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

Maxtheknife, a while back you posted evidence that the FOM represented a "perfect" humanoid visage. In that same post and ever since you have not ceased to talk of a lion face -- or at least half of one. For the record, can you tell us that you disavow your "perfect humanoid visage" belief and that you think the creators of that theory are wrong? You can't have it both ways -- claiming the FOM represents a perfect humanoid visage and also the visage of a lion.<br /><br />From your original post:<br /><i>Check this out....how strong is THIS bit of evidence? From Cydonian Imperitive..... "Face on Mars Conforms to Mathematically 'Perfect' Visage" <br />"In the graphic below, Chris Joseph has superimposed the Golden Ratio-derived face on the Face on Mars...There are several intriguing correlations that suggest that the Face, far from being a randomly eroded mesa, is in fact a deliberately sculpted humanoid visage." <br /></i> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

Maxtheknife, you apparently cannot decide if you see a perfect human face or a perfect lion face. <br /><br />Image from one of your previous posts: <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

and finally, Maxtheknife, I see no perfection in this mess (from a previous post of yours): <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

Damn! congrats to whoever is approving those images as fast as I can post them!<img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Leovinus]

It's a slow day at work. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[maxtheknife]

Centsworth, Chemist, Naj, et al......<br /><br />Look, just do the work. Then we can talk some more.<br /><br />What's the problem.... My trace only took, like 45 min.....<br /><br />Zen, Jatslo, is this an unreasonable request?

 

[centsworth_II]

Thanks, that was mind-blowing, seeing my just posted images appear as soon as I posted them. I'll give you a break now. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

I did my self-assigned project, comparing claims that the mesa on Mars represented a perfect human visage with claims that it represented a perfect lion visage, and claims that it represented a perfect(?!) human/lion mix. Astonishingly, all these seemingly contradictory claims were made by one person: Maxtheknife.<br /><br />now, YOUR assignment is to clear up this mess. If there is any perfect visage to be seen, what is it a visage of? And if you can't tell, how perfect can it be?<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>