A CIVILIZATION on MARS? 1B/200M Years Ago? (Pt. 3)

telfrow · May 30, 2005

So, this advanced Martian civilization build a 3km pyramid out mud brick? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · May 30, 2005

Right, now look at Zen's pics just above... How do you suppose we reconstruct them on paper?

telfrow · May 30, 2005

How do you suppose we reconstruct them on paper? Just ask Torun to do it for you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · May 30, 2005

Well, what do you think? We're never right, remember?

telfrow · May 30, 2005

How do you suppose we reconstruct them on paper? Or using mystical geometric relationships with surrounding structures... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · May 30, 2005

Just ask PLAIT to NOT do it for you.... <img src="/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

maxtheknife · May 30, 2005

Mystical? Geometry is mystical? edit: Don't you mean real and verifiable redundant geometry?

telfrow · May 30, 2005

Apparently yours is... Edit: I don't know Max. I'm never right. What do you think? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

zenonmars · May 30, 2005

Well, cool Tel. And I am all for fun too <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> And yet I cannot help to be amazed at terrestrial examples of eroded artifacts, ever since I saw a CGI on the Discovery Channel about how the pyramids in Giza might look in about 10,000 years. And the decay, along with weather changes in the area, was amazing! I suppose, from satellite recon alone, that only interesting geometry might tell us about the artificiality of these once mighty structures. Here is a book my Dad read before he died, and it is on my "to do" list: http://www.wwnorton.com/catalog/backlist/030119.htm <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

maxtheknife · May 30, 2005

That's not true... You get MAJOR props for submitting a true and honest trace of the FOM. We agree w/ you guys constantly..... It's NEVER reciprocated. <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" />

telfrow · May 30, 2005

So venture a guess about the photo I posted. It's all for fun. Your answer won't be used as "evidence" (Max) in the "debate." I just think it's a cool picture...and the answer suprised me. Natural? Artificial? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · May 30, 2005

That's not true... You get MAJOR props for submitting a true and honest trace of the FOM. Don't go there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · May 30, 2005

Well..... didn't you?

telfrow · May 30, 2005

Don't go there. We've discussed my reaction to what you did before. I'm still not happy about it - or with you for doing what you did. So don't go there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · May 30, 2005

BTW, Zen, I thought about it and decided to change my sig line (at least in this thread) in honor of your "data weasel" comment the other night. What do you think? Should I keep it? <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

mental_avenger · May 30, 2005

Malin had set up a display table near to the one hosted by Dipietro and Molenaar…..Every time anyone approached the table and started to look at the images of the Face, Malin picked up a megaphone and began yelling into it, That is exactly what I am talking about. The unsubstantiated assumptions in that one short passage are: 1. That Malin chose that spot to annoy Dipietro’s presentation. 2. That Malin even had a choice on where his table was set up. 3. That Malin began using the megaphone in response to persons approaching Dipietro’s table. 4. That Malin actually yelled (megaphones don’t require yelling. In fact they are less effective when yelled into) 5. That Malin intentionally “audibly assaulted them. 6. That Malin was the cause of the conference goers leaving Dipietro’s table. In addition, no mention of what Malin actually said is offered, and no proof that any of this actually happened. It may have happened as Dipietro claims, but I sincerely doubt it. His agenda was clearly to “blame” Malin. I have talked to several people at MSSS and, unless I am a REALLY bad judge of character, I don’t believe that any of them would do what Dipietro claims, especially not the way he states it. Without proof, I will have to go with MSSS on this one. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

mental_avenger · May 30, 2005

So, this advanced Martian civilization build a 3km pyramid out mud brick? A constructed archeology would have eroded in a more even manner because the structure would no doubt be made entirely of the same material. The fact that the infamous mesa on Cydonia, and the nearby pyramids, all are eroded in a manner consistent with natural (non-uniform material dispersion) indicates that they were not constructed artificially. If it had been mud brick, the hard ridges would not be there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space. </div>

telfrow · May 30, 2005

Agreed. I was just referencing Zen's photos. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · May 30, 2005

Funny that when finally pressed to actually produce some results, your actual submitted work/experiment confirmed mine, RCH's and other's evaluations. And now, we aren't allowed to discuss it?! How unscientific is that? This is a scientific debate, not a political one. High time you realized that. For your new quote try..."Pseudoscientists of the world unite!" Nah.... on second thought, I love John Lennon....keep it as it is.

maxtheknife · May 30, 2005

2. That Malin even had a choice on where his table was set up. Excuse me, MA. I have a business and I've participated in many trade shows. I would presume that science shows (or whatever they're called) are similar. If you pay for the booth, you get to choose your space. First come first serve, usually.

telfrow · May 30, 2005

Funny that when finally pressed to actually produce some results, your actual submitted work/experiment confirmed mine, RCH's and other's evaluations. And now, we aren't allowed to discuss it?! How unscientific is that? This is a scientific debate, not a political one. High time you realized that. It has nothing to do with politics, my friend. And nothing to do with science. And you damn well know it. It's an issue of integrity and honesty. And the fact you still can't grasp that - or understand why I was so upset by your conduct - speaks volumes. My "experiment" was years old and I clearly identified the fact that I had changed my standing and position on the nature of the face. I submitted it as a personal favor (and I explained part of the reason for that in our PMs). I told you I'd produced something in the past and promised to post it for you when I could recover it. And, inasmuch as I try and keep my promises, when I recovered it, I posted it. You immediately used it as "proof" your results were somehow legitimate....without any proviso that the author (me) had since changed his position on the nature of the work. That's not only disingenuous, it’s intellectually dishonest. And I believe you understood that – and did it anyway. Edit: Now let's drop it, shall we? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

zenonmars · May 30, 2005

tel.................absolutely!!! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> "Don't go there. We've discussed my reaction to what you did before. I'm still not happy about it - or with you for doing what you did." LOLOL..........Zen is imagining tel in a cold shower, vigorously scrubbing with a stout bath-brush! (To quote Moe Howard: It was my own idea, and I don't think much of it!) <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> Avenger said, "I have talked to several people at MSSS and, unless I am a REALLY bad judge of character, I don’t believe that any of them would do what Dipietro claims, especially not the way he states it. Without proof, I will have to go with MSSS on this one." Well, your choice, my friend, and isn't that what this is really all about after all? Avenger: " A constructed archeology would have eroded in a more even manner because the structure would no doubt be made entirely of the same material. The fact that the infamous mesa on Cydonia, and the nearby pyramids, all are eroded in a manner consistent with natural (non-uniform material dispersion) indicates that they were not constructed artificially. If it had been mud brick, the hard ridges would not be there." Let's see, the Egyptians were working mostly in limestone, the southwest Native Americans were fond of adobe, the Hindus often used alabaster, and the Romans loved marble. There was an interesting civilization in the western part of Earth that seemed to only use glass, metal alloys, and a composite they called "concrete". Sometimes, terran history and judgements just might not explain stuff we find "out there". PLUS, we still don't have really good close-ups. Hey, a manned mission or robots plopped near the FOM could settle this fairly quickly, don't ya think? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

zenonmars · May 30, 2005

Max, my bestest bud in visable sight, "This is a scientific debate, not a political one. High time you realized that." Ummmm.............are you SURE about that? (SHOULD be, I'll admit...) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · May 30, 2005

Roswell? Is there anything else you'd like to throw in the mix, Zen? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

najab · May 30, 2005

Actually, Zen, both of your eroded pyramid images confirm what someone else (M_A?) said - the edges of the pyramid are totally gone. The ridges along the "DM Pyramid" seem even more likely to be natural, in comparison to the images you posted.Also, remember scale - the two pyramids in your images are probably no more than a few hundred feet across, the "DM Pyramid" is several kilometres wide. Even if the surface was eroded away to a depth of tens of metres, it should still have a more symmetrical apperance than it does.

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