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Bigelow Aerospace
Bigelow Aerospace owns the TransHab patent since they bought it from space right?
Does that mean that no other company/space program can use that tech to make a space station?
Isn't that unfair then that they only get that technology?
If its true then I would have rather NASA used it then release the tech for all to use. I don't really agree with private space programs if they do this...
Bigelow Aerospace owns the TransHab patent since they bought it from space right?
Does that mean that no other company/space program can use that tech to make a space station?
Isn't that unfair then that they only get that technology?
If its true then I would have rather NASA used it then release the tech for all to use. I don't really agree with private space programs if they do this...
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If you want to know what I think....If I invent a better mouse trap..no one on planet earth is entitled to "my" invention at all in the first place!
If I want to sell my "idea" or patent...that is "my" buisness...what makes anyone on Earth believe that they are entitled to my new mouse trap...if you want a better mouse trap....GO AND INVENT YOUR OWN!
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If you want to know what I think....If I invent a better mouse trap..no one on planet earth is entitled to "my" invention at all in the first place!
If I want to sell my "idea" or patent...that is "my" buisness...what makes anyone on Earth believe that they are entitled to my new mouse trap...if you want a better mouse trap....GO AND INVENT YOUR OWN!
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SC
Bigelow Aerospace Update
I also have a design for a “Big Bertha” spacecraft for NASA’s Ares 5. We can create a module that has twice the volume of the entire international space station. One module alone could have 2,100 cubic meters of volume. We’re volume productive, not mass concentrated. We produce many times the volume comparable to another volume that’s a metal structure. :shock:
I also have a design for a “Big Bertha” spacecraft for NASA’s Ares 5. We can create a module that has twice the volume of the entire international space station. One module alone could have 2,100 cubic meters of volume. We’re volume productive, not mass concentrated. We produce many times the volume comparable to another volume that’s a metal structure. :shock:
Thanks for the update Boris, I also had not heard much from them lately either. I did read somewhere (I'll try and find it) that the Russians really raked him over the coals by trying to charge him too much, and like he said US government is not making it easy to work with the Russians either due to the dust up they had over the missile defence shield over Europe. So its up to Falcon 9 and Saturn I guess. Go Falcon!
I really like him, he is a doer, not a talker.
I really like him, he is a doer, not a talker.
I wonder if that is a typo. The BA330 is 330 cm and that is their biggest module... So how do you go from 330 to 2100? 2100cm is 7 times large than an average american home.
I don't think it's a typo, as he's talking about launching it on an Ares 5 size vehicle.
I did a few quick & dirty numbers to give a hab that size a little scale. 125 feet in length, 25 feet tall & 25 feet wide.
I did a few quick & dirty numbers to give a hab that size a little scale. 125 feet in length, 25 feet tall & 25 feet wide.
Boris_Badenov":3mipooa9 said:
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I fully expect the emperor and a squad of storm troopers to come marching out of that thing...
If a BA-330 can accommodate 7 crew, this behemoth will be pushing life support for nearly 50. That'd be quite a good sized crew.
I refined my figures a little bit.
8 meters x 8 meters x 32.5 meters (about 24 feet x 24 feet x 105 feet) nearly gets you 2100 cu in this configuration.
8 meters x 8 meters x 32.5 meters (about 24 feet x 24 feet x 105 feet) nearly gets you 2100 cu in this configuration.
In this configuration, at about 45 feet tall & 40 feet in diameter you get 2100 cu.
(this one is a BA-330 module at 44' high x 22' diameter, exterior dimensions)
(this one is a BA-330 module at 44' high x 22' diameter, exterior dimensions)
It's a lovely monster 
Just for a reference, ISS has c.373 m3 (c.13,172 ft3).
If Bertha flies, many things will change. This modules are almost like General Products hulls from Larry Niven's universe.
I also like his views on the potential market, and hope he will have better experience with export regulations in the future.
Just for a reference, ISS has c.373 m3 (c.13,172 ft3).
If Bertha flies, many things will change. This modules are almost like General Products hulls from Larry Niven's universe.
I also like his views on the potential market, and hope he will have better experience with export regulations in the future.
You can take just one of these monsters and just land it in a crater on the Moon, push some regolith on it, and presto bingo, you have a Moon base with one flight.
Try this one, then look on page 4 of this thread for how they'd land a lunar base made of BA-330's fully assembled
That is really cool. Thanks docm !! What Apollo mission is that shot from? Looks like Apollo 15? Even has their foot print in the shot.
An earlier poster mentioned something about rights to some of the technology. Government agencies (Like DARPA for instance) often use specific language for granting such rights to commercial companies. Basically the gonvernment agency grants commercial rights to a technology to a commercial company so long as that company makes progress towards commercializing it in the marketplace, otherwise the agency reserves "March in data rights" to retake the technology and sell it to someone else for commercialization.
It sounds complicated but it amounts to making the technology available. The government uses it for its own purposes and allows commercial companies to profit from it for commercial purposes as long as it is actually used and not shelved to protect some other technology. In the even a company tries to shelve a technology or otherwise financially collapses and is unable to commercialize a technology, the agency can us the march in feature to re-sell a given technology to encourage its commercialization.
Under such a clause if Big Bertha Aeorspace buys a technology and 'pretends' to commercialize it but really stalls to protect their proprietary outdated tech, eventually the agency can strip Big Bertha Aero of the rights and re-sell them to Little Upstart Aerospace and hope he can do better. Since it appears that Bigelow is making a serious effort to proceed, even if they are subject to such a clause, they should be allowed to make their effort and profiy from these efforts for the incredible impact they may have in reducing required launch mass.
It sounds complicated but it amounts to making the technology available. The government uses it for its own purposes and allows commercial companies to profit from it for commercial purposes as long as it is actually used and not shelved to protect some other technology. In the even a company tries to shelve a technology or otherwise financially collapses and is unable to commercialize a technology, the agency can us the march in feature to re-sell a given technology to encourage its commercialization.
Under such a clause if Big Bertha Aeorspace buys a technology and 'pretends' to commercialize it but really stalls to protect their proprietary outdated tech, eventually the agency can strip Big Bertha Aero of the rights and re-sell them to Little Upstart Aerospace and hope he can do better. Since it appears that Bigelow is making a serious effort to proceed, even if they are subject to such a clause, they should be allowed to make their effort and profiy from these efforts for the incredible impact they may have in reducing required launch mass.
A size comparison to the Senior Apartments I manage, attached to the Show Low Senior Center is possible also. (I've been playing with my tape measure recently )
The outer row of East Wing of the apartments contains (in order from south to north); 2 community rooms, 2 laundry rooms (upstairs & downstairs), 1 single wide stairwell., 2 2 bedroom arartments, 6 1 bedroom apartments & 1 doublewide stairwell. Include in this 8 small storerooms 4 patios & 4 balconies.
) The outer row of East Wing of the apartments contains (in order from south to north); 2 community rooms, 2 laundry rooms (upstairs & downstairs), 1 single wide stairwell., 2 2 bedroom arartments, 6 1 bedroom apartments & 1 doublewide stairwell. Include in this 8 small storerooms 4 patios & 4 balconies.
This is an aerial photo of the neighborhood from the County Treasurers website.
The East Wing is the right hand building south of the blue border. The outer row I desribed would occupy the space from the roof peak to the right.
It would take approximately 8 Big Bertha modules to provide the same interior space as the 3 apartment wings & the Senior Center/Recreation area.
In a ring configuration this would be quite a massive complex.
Bigelow just might make this possible within the next 15 to 20 years.
The East Wing is the right hand building south of the blue border. The outer row I desribed would occupy the space from the roof peak to the right.
It would take approximately 8 Big Bertha modules to provide the same interior space as the 3 apartment wings & the Senior Center/Recreation area.
In a ring configuration this would be quite a massive complex.
Bigelow just might make this possible within the next 15 to 20 years.
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