FAA wraps up safety review of SpaceX's huge Starship vehicle

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Come on man, get this dog and pony show over with, nothing endangered there except beach bums
"Boca Chica, on the Gulf of Mexico in Texas, provides habitat for a rich diversity of wildlife, including endangered species like ocelots, piping plovers and aplomado falcons. It's one of the few places where Kemp's ridley sea turtles — the most critically endangered sea turtles on the planet — come ashore to nest."

"Boca Chica sits at the intersection of the Rio Grande, the region’s largest river, and the Laguna Madre, the world’s largest hypersaline bay system, which creates a habitat mosaic of expansive wetlands, coastal prairies, Tamaulipan thornscrub, barrier island dune grasslands, wind-tidal flats and Gulf beaches. It is also home to federally endangered species including piping plovers, red knots, sea turtles and occasional ocelots. The lower Laguna Madre is also vital habitat for migrating shorebirds and wintering raptors. "

When you look at the map of Starbase, you can see that it's clearly surrounded by a State Park, a Widlife Refuge, and a Wildlife Management Area, all of which were there long before Starbase. Looks like Musk and team picked the area for its launch properties (closer to the equator), not because it's location would cause less environmental impact.

Maybe before we start spreading to other planets we should show that we're committed to protecting the environment on our current planet.
 
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"the FAA is consulting with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) on an updated Biological Assessment under the Endangered Species Act. " After 40 years, Musk has put us back in the Space business but because he bought Twitter and took away a political platform he must be stopped!

The one thing our country is the best at the world at -- "red tape". It is no accident that over the past 20 years China has built 27,000 miles of high-speed rail, while we built 0 -- NONE.
 
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"the FAA is consulting with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) on an updated Biological Assessment under the Endangered Species Act. " After 40 years, Musk has put us back in the Space business but because he bought Twitter and took away a political platform he must be stopped!

The one thing our country is the best at the world at -- "red tape". It is no accident that over the past 20 years China has built 27,000 miles of high-speed rail, while we built 0 -- NONE.
Better to have 0 miles of high speed rail that ignores natural habitat than even one mile. If we can't live with the natural world we can't live.
 
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"Boca Chica, on the Gulf of Mexico in Texas, provides habitat for a rich diversity of wildlife, including endangered species like ocelots, piping plovers and aplomado falcons. It's one of the few places where Kemp's ridley sea turtles — the most critically endangered sea turtles on the planet — come ashore to nest."

"Boca Chica sits at the intersection of the Rio Grande, the region’s largest river, and the Laguna Madre, the world’s largest hypersaline bay system, which creates a habitat mosaic of expansive wetlands, coastal prairies, Tamaulipan thornscrub, barrier island dune grasslands, wind-tidal flats and Gulf beaches. It is also home to federally endangered species including piping plovers, red knots, sea turtles and occasional ocelots. The lower Laguna Madre is also vital habitat for migrating shorebirds and wintering raptors. "

When you look at the map of Starbase, you can see that it's clearly surrounded by a State Park, a Widlife Refuge, and a Wildlife Management Area, all of which were there long before Starbase. Looks like Musk and team picked the area for its launch properties (closer to the equator), not because it's location would cause less environmental impact.

Maybe before we start spreading to other planets we should show that we're committed to protecting the environment on our current planet.

Starbase sits on roughly 100 acres in the middle of nowhere Texas. This isn't a new car factory or a mall we are talking about, it's our countries lead in the space program over a hostile competitor. I'm fairly certain we can figure out a way to protect the environment and humanities future on the planet without throwing a years worth of wrench into each and every test of starship.

Not every single EPA action or action on behalf the endangered species act is righteous and "good". Especially in the case of an administration that has become actively hostile towards every business musk runs (regardless how doing so is actively damaging to the country).

Heck the administration is all in on EVs to the tune of trillions and yet acts like Tesla doesn't exist (because it's not Union and apparently this administration is bought and paid for by the UAW).
 
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Starbase sits on roughly 100 acres in the middle of nowhere Texas. This isn't a new car factory or a mall we are talking about, it's our countries lead in the space program over a hostile competitor. I'm fairly certain we can figure out a way to protect the environment and humanities future on the planet without throwing a years worth of wrench into each and every test of starship.

Not every single EPA action or action on behalf the endangered species act is righteous and "good". Especially in the case of an administration that has become actively hostile towards every business musk runs (regardless how doing so is actively damaging to the country).

Heck the administration is all in on EVs to the tune of trillions and yet acts like Tesla doesn't exist (because it's not Union and apparently this administration is bought and paid for by the UAW).
No it's not. It's a private for profit company and like all private for profit companies needs to follow laws and regulations or it will destroy the environment for greater profits. See Chernobyl. The middle of nowhere to you is home to others.
 
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Starbase sits on roughly 100 acres in the middle of nowhere Texas. This isn't a new car factory or a mall we are talking about, it's our countries lead in the space program over a hostile competitor. I'm fairly certain we can figure out a way to protect the environment and humanities future on the planet without throwing a years worth of wrench into each and every test of starship.

Not every single EPA action or action on behalf the endangered species act is righteous and "good". Especially in the case of an administration that has become actively hostile towards every business musk runs (regardless how doing so is actively damaging to the country).

Heck the administration is all in on EVs to the tune of trillions and yet acts like Tesla doesn't exist (because it's not Union and apparently this administration is bought and paid for by the UAW).
The EPA and FWS carry out the environmental review functions that Congress told it to perform. If those agencies did something other than what they're doing, they wouldn't be following the law. Now, could they speed up the review process if they had more staff? Perhaps. That's why I feel like every NASA contract to commercial entities should include funds to scale up the regulatory review staffs at all agencies that are part of the permit process.
 
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"the FAA is consulting with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) on an updated Biological Assessment under the Endangered Species Act. " After 40 years, Musk has put us back in the Space business but because he bought Twitter and took away a political platform he must be stopped!

The one thing our country is the best at the world at -- "red tape". It is no accident that over the past 20 years China has built 27,000 miles of high-speed rail, while we built 0 -- NONE.
China's infrastructure expansion has been done quickly at the expense of safety, quality, and environmental standards and are rampant with corruption. Very much not an example worth emulating.
 
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I am sure you don't even know where space starts
Weird flex. Like most things that adults have to deal with, the answer is "it depends" but you sound like the type of person that only deals with black and white. But many people refer to 100 km as the start of outer space.

It might surprise you, but I've been a spaceflight enthusiast since I witnessed in person the Challenger explode in 1986.
 
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