Facinating article: Iapetus artificial construct!

5stone10 · Mar 25, 2005

A Dyson sphere is a hollow ball around a star Not at all. There are several varieties of Dyson sphere that typically float around - the least plausible of which is the 'hollow sphere around a star', since it would presumably use all the resources of the system just to build.

telfrow · Mar 25, 2005

SEE: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/spacecraft/inst-cassini-iss-details.cfm Narrow Angle Camera [NAC](2 m f/10.5 reflector; 200-1100 nm; 24 filters; 0.35ox0.35o) It is a reflector, so it may not have an apeture in the tradtional sense. To be correct about my statement, it should have read what I would have expected at f10.5 using a traditional camera apeture. But it could also be ghosting from the mirror configuration, or the filter holders, or... The point being, until you've eliminated all the possibilities that the straight lines are image artifacts caused by something in the imaging system, it's a huge leap in logic to call the lines artifical. http://ciclops.lpl.arizona.edu/iss/iss.php <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Mar 25, 2005

For a more intelligent theory of the ridge than my self professed feeble attempt, see the last few pages of this thread: http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=sciastro&Number=118640&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

Saiph · Mar 25, 2005

actual, plait does post a 1997 mars surveyor image of the martian mesa. http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/face.html this site has larger quality images: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/moc_5_24_01/face/ Now, give me a list of questions on this, and I'll see what I can do. And lets not deal with Planet V right now, in this thread, as it doesn't relate to the topic at hand. if you'd like to discuss it, feel free to start another thread, that way we can keep this one as clean as possible. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

thermionic · Mar 25, 2005

Sorry, Max, I guess I thought you were someone else. I had a long conversation a few months ago with some fellow who liked to espouse nonsensical ideas, claim NASA is a conspiracy, use the word 'pesky' a lot, and had a fascination with Oort clouds. He and I had a pretty good rant going, I thought you might want to do the same. Anyways, I've swung by the enterprise site, read that stuff. I didn't find it convincing. Claims of 'ths looks like that, so it must be artificial'. Saturn itself is extraordinary. If we had just discovered it, would we mistake it as artificial? A nearly perfect sphere of gigantic size, surrounded by a nearly perfect disk of gigantic size, and mysterious lights glowing at the poles. Fantastic, but nature produces many fantastic objects. I just can't find any reason to believe that Iapetus is artificial. Although it has some unique features, it has many many features in common with comparable natural objects. But of course you're welcome to think what you want, and post about it. Over & Out! /jd

nazcalito · Mar 25, 2005

don't know who Frank Knee is. don't think the Cassini staff would like your "defective camera" theory, that the camera is imposing hexagonal patterns on things like a kaleidoscope. You would see such patterns all the time if that were true, or at least under similar lighting conditions. Talk about junking the entire mission.

alpha_taur1 · Mar 25, 2005

Somebody mentioned that there were all these Hoagland henchmen suddenly registering to spout their nonsense and defend his idiotic claims. Did you ever see that Star Trek episode about Tribbles?

nazcalito · Mar 25, 2005

Sorry, I didn't know that this was your own private club. .

alpha_taur1 · Mar 25, 2005

Oh! - So you're saying that you're a Hoagland Henchman?

telfrow · Mar 25, 2005

I'm not implying the camera system is "defective." Under extreme lighting conditions in any optical system, flare can occur. (As well as blooming in CCDs, which is also part of what we see in the image.) When bright light hits the lens at an oblique angle, or too much light enters the lens or optical system, it can "bounce" around and create the effects mentioned. If there are other objects in the optical system (such as filters, mirrors, etc.) this bouncing can create a "ghosting" of the object. And no, you won't "see such patterns all the time" - only under "extreme" lighting conditions. If you don't believe me, grab a digital camera and take a few photos yourself to test it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

maxtheknife · Mar 25, 2005

Np, Therm....so what about Cydonia? The moon? www.metaresearch.org? Shouldn't we go where the data is leading us? Wouldn't it be to NASA's advantage to play the artificial card? Think of the possibilities. Now that would be a coalition worth forming.

telfrow · Mar 25, 2005

don't know who Frank Knee is. I have a sneaking suspicion Max might. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

Leovinus · Mar 25, 2005

I don't think that this is a spaceship or a manufactured moon. But I will say that when you go exploring and you see a wall like that which is so straight and long as to look artificial, you simply have to entertain the idea that it *is* artificial. I have to admit that this wall is just about the most artificial-looking thing that I've seen beyond Earth. Saturn's rings also fall into this category -- they look like a phonograph record for those of you old enough to know what they are. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

telfrow · Mar 25, 2005

they look like a phonograph record for those of you old enough to know what they are. Thanks for reminding me just how old I am, Leo. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

Saiph · Mar 25, 2005

Hey now, I know what they look like and I ain't that old! So don't feel bad. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> --------------------SaiphMOD@gmail.com -------------------"This is my Timey Wimey Detector. Goes "bing" when there's stuff. It also fries eggs at 30 paces, wether you want it to or not actually. I've learned to stay away from hens: It's not pretty when they blow" -- The Tenth Doctor, "Blink" </div>

telfrow · Mar 25, 2005

Unfortunately, I am... <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

mcbethcg · Mar 25, 2005

I seriously doubt it is artificial- interstellar travel is all but impossible. But it ought to be investigated. It is interesting, and who knows, I might be wrong about the impossibility thing.

maxtheknife · Mar 25, 2005

Saiph, more ridicule. Not appreciated. <img src="/images/icons/frown.gif" />

maxtheknife · Mar 25, 2005

Saiph, what about the objects surrounding the face. How deep do you have to dig to find the D&M? http://www.keithlaney.com/BullittsIRviews/marsinfraredimaging.htm

maxtheknife · Mar 25, 2005

At what point does the 'Bad Astronomer' refute the e/pi redundancy?

alpha_taur1 · Mar 26, 2005

Where is the face supposed to be in this picture? http://www.keithlaney.com/BullittsIRviews/superdata/662-1011B_788-1103G_930-1258R_E0300824_Face.jpg I can see the orchid, and I can see the saucer shape and the cartoon pig, but I can't see any face.

alpha_taur1 · Mar 26, 2005

Actually I had a play around with that image, and now that I enhanced it slightly, upped the gamma, reduced the contrast etc, it does look familiar. Hang on, that looks like .....no it can't be!

geneftw · Mar 26, 2005

Telfrow, Thank you very much!! Good move!! Let us know what they tell you. On December 31 at 4:29 spacecraft time, Cassini was to do a radar scatterometry on Iapetus, which would reveal surface properties. Pages 58-60 of a JPL release (link below) gives some information on what Casssini is capable of, as related to this discussion. http://saturn1.jpl.nasa.gov/news/press-kits/cassini.pdf

geneftw · Mar 26, 2005

Merely saying it's laughable is not an argument. It's an opinion. Can you cite some of the evidence and refute it in a logical way?

geneftw · Mar 26, 2005

It is stated in Part 2 that Iapetus and Dione were photographed with the same technique. Iapetus shows straight lines; Dione doesn't.

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